Supreme Court to Decide Whether States Can Make You Leave Your Fourth Amendment Rights at the DMV

Good Times Good Times

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Wall of text, yes, but do read in full. GREAT article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-bernick/supreme-court-to-decide-w_b_9742132.html

Can states make you abandon your Fourth Amendment rights if you want to enjoy the “privilege” of driving? That’s the question at the heart of one of the most consequential cases that the Supreme Court will decide this term, in terms of practical impact upon ordinary Americans. Birchfield v. North Dakota involves challenges to Minnesota and North Dakota statutes that make it a crime for drivers to refuse warrantless chemical tests of their blood, breath, or urine to detect the presence of alcohol. The Supreme Court consolidated three cases to be reviewed. Two involved individuals who were convicted for declining to take a blood test and a breath test, respectively; the third involved an individual who refused field sobriety tests, was taken to a hospital and subjected to a blood test, and was later convicted of drunk driving.

The Supreme Court has long held that the Fourth Amendment generally requires police to obtain a warrant before conducting a search. But in the lead case under review in Birchfield, the North Dakota Supreme Court held that because driving is a “privilege,” not a “constitutional right,” and because North Dakota law requires police to inform drivers that they will be criminally punished if they refuse to be tested, drivers can be said to have given their “consent” to the test. In exchange for the “privilege” of driving, then, people effectively waive their right to refuse to submit to a physical intrusion that cannot reasonably be described as anything other than a search.

This reasoning is positively Orwellian, and the Court should squarely reject it.

The Supreme Court has long held that searches conducted without a warrant are inherently “unreasonable” and therefore unconstitutional unless an exception applies. Exceptions include searches incident to arrest that are designed to protect officer safety or preserve evidence; “exigent circumstances” in which the needs of law enforcement are particularly compelling; and an individual’s consent to a search. There is no plausible argument that the chemical tests required by the North Dakota and Minnesota laws are not searches — they are deliberate intrusions upon individuals’ bodily integrity, conducted for the purpose of collectingevidence of a crime. If no exceptions to the warrant requirement apply, criminally punishing people for refusing to submit to a test necessarily violates the Fourth Amendment — people are fully within their rights to refuse the test, and the government cannot punish people for simply asserting their constitutional rights.

The North Dakota Supreme Court below concluded that an exception did apply and therefore upheld the challenged law. The court reasoned that driving was not a “constitutional right” but a state-created “privilege,” “subject to reasonable control by the State under its police power.” It went on to determine that drivers who are informed that “refusal to take the test directed by the law enforcement officer is a crime” and do not refuse to be tested can be said to have consented to the test. The court explained that “consent to a chemical test is not coerced and is not rendered involuntary merely by a law enforcement officer’s reading of the implied consent advisory that accurately informs the arrestee of the consequences for refusal.” Further, the court suggested that even absent consent, the law would pass constitutional muster. The “touchstone of the Fourth Amendment is reasonableness,” the court stated, “which is assessed by balancing the promotion of legitimate governmental interests with the intrusion on an individual’s privacy.” Emphasizing the “magnitude of the drunken driving problem” that the government sought to confront and highlighting the “diminished expectation of privacy” that licensed drivers have “because [they are] presumed to know the laws governing the operation of the motor vehicle,” the court easily concluded that the criminal refusal statute “satisfies the general reasonableness requirement of the Fourth Amendment.”

This analysis is fatally flawed in at least three respects.

First, the court asserted without analysis that driving on the roads is a “privilege” rather than a “constitutional right,” apparently because one needs to secure the state’s permission in order to drive. But state governments require people to secure permission before they may engage in any number of activities that the Supreme Court has held to be “rights.” The Supreme Court has held that individuals have a fundamental right to bear arms in self-defense without suggesting that states may not license firearm ownership. It has held that individuals have to a right to choose their field of private employment without suggesting that states are forbidden to license the practice of medicine. There is no constitutional right that is not subject to states’ police powers to protect life, liberty, and property through means calculated to do so. It does not follow that all of our rights are in fact state-created privileges. Travelling by vehicle is among the innumerable activities that people can engage in which are not inherently injurious to others, and it is thus a right protected by the Fourteenth Amendment’s Due Process of Law Clause — a provision that prohibits state burdens on individual freedom that are not calculated to serve a constitutionally proper end of government.

Even more problematic is the court’s conclusion that drivers’ “consent” to chemical tests is “not coerced.” This makes nonsense of words. Confronting someone with the choice of adhering to the will of another person or group of people or being subjected to physical force is the very essence of coercion. Would anyone deny that someone who is told by a government official that they must vote for a particular political candidate or be criminally punished is being “coerced”? Such a “consent”-based exception to the warrant requirement would certainly swallow the rule.

Finally, the court’s application of a “general reasonableness” test offers evidence that the government-friendly rational-basis test — the default standard of review in constitutional cases that do not implicate rights deemed “fundamental” by the Supreme Court — is influencing the analysis of burdens on constitutional rights that the Court has specifically instructed lower courts to vigilantly protect. This development should be profoundly troubling to anyone who is concerned with the rule of law, as the rational-basis test has long served as an occasion for judicial rationalization of whatever the political branches churn out. Here, the court identified the prevention of drunk-driving as a “legitimate governmental interest” (a term drawn from the Court’s now-canonical formulation of the rational-basis test), asserted that drivers could reasonably be presumed to know the law, and called it a day without any genuine effort to assess the fit between ends and means — such lack of effort being a hallmark of rational-basis review. As noted above, the Court has insisted that “searches conducted outside the judicial process, without prior approval by a judge or magistrate, are per se unreasonable under the Fourth Amendment“ (emphasis added) unless they fall within one of “a few specifically established and well-delineated exceptions.” Simply put, ad hoc balancing with a thumb on the scale of the government has no place here. (Or anywhere else in American law, for that matter.)

There is no question that drunk driving represents a genuine threat to public safety, and that it is constitutionally proper for the government to seek to prevent it. But government officials may not pursue a constitutional end through unconstitutional means, and judges are duty-bound to independently and impartially interpret and give effect to the law of the land. That requires judicial engagement — truth-seeking, fact-sensitive judicial review that places the burden on the government to demonstrate that its enactments are carefully tailored to achieve a proper governmental end. If the price of exercising one constitutional right becomes the relinquishment of another, Americans may be made to cede more and more of the liberty promised by the Constitution. The nation’s highest tribunal must repudiate such coercion.
 

9andaWiggle

Addicted Member
Interesting, everything previously said.

RE to Greg's video. Interesting how they manage to get around the licensing loophole by requiring a DL to get insurance, which is required to license and tag a vehicle, which is required to operate a vehicle on state roads.

As for the OP and DUI's, I'm torn on that one... there's a lot of dead people thanks to impaired drivers. So how do you prevent DUI deaths if the police cannot be used as a threat to reduce the number of those driving impaired? If you state police can never check for DUI, then I guarantee deaths by DUI will increase rapidly, because nobody will have to worry about getting stopped, much less convicted, for driving drunk.
 

livespive

Well-Known Member
I am for technology that continuously measures your BA level Breathalyzer style, and warns the cops. if you are drinking and driving.
The person driving is the one being monitored with the monitor fed from the so the passenger or anyone in the back can't use it.

Interesting, everything previously said.

RE to Greg's video. Interesting how they manage to get around the licensing loophole by requiring a DL to get insurance, which is required to license and tag a vehicle, which is required to operate a vehicle on state roads.

As for the OP and DUI's, I'm torn on that one... there's a lot of dead people thanks to impaired drivers. So how do you prevent DUI deaths if the police cannot be used as a threat to reduce the number of those driving impaired? If you state police can never check for DUI, then I guarantee deaths by DUI will increase rapidly, because nobody will have to worry about getting stopped, much less convicted, for driving drunk.
 

Good Times Good Times

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Obv I'm against people driving drunk. I don't do it nor endorse it.

That being said, I found this comment interesting:

"Many times the DUI violation is caused by another vehicular infraction (i.e. broken tail light, expired tags, failure to stop at a sign, etc.etc.etc.) When the officer approaches, maybe he can smell alcohol, leading to an assumption of DUI. Maybe he is right, or wrong, but forcing you to prove you are innocent, or go to jail, is not the answer. don't get me wrong. DUI is a serious problem, but this isn't the answer."
 

9andaWiggle

Addicted Member
Not insinuating anyone approves of driving impaired, just not sure how to police/enforce it if the police/courts can't.

As for monitoring devices, who's going to agree to that? On one hand people don't want to be required to prove their innocence, but in the other isn't a mandatory device in the vehicle doing the same thing?

The outcry against that will be deafening. Where would that stop? Devices could be required to stop the car from moving until all detected passengers have fastened their seatbelt. Devices could be required that will shut down a vehicle if a cell phone is detected within a certain parameter around the driver seat. The government could require automatic speed governing devices making it impossible to exceed the posted speed limit. It could be regulated that your radio volume could not exceed a set decible level.
 

Robadat

Member
I don't like warrantless search abilities for Police beyond personal safety issues to quickly check for possible weapons when a person is being detained for questioning. The same should be the standard for vehicle stops. It's really shouldn't be made too difficult for police to get a search warrant for a chemical test from a Judge. All the Officer should have to do is contact a Judge, give him his reasoning for why he believes this person is DUI (field sobriety test, smell of alcohol, slurring of speech, etc.) and he should get a warrant for the chemical tests. With technology today, I don't think it would be difficult at all to design an app where Judges could send virtual search warrants via cell phones to Police instantly.

I also don't like threat of automatic criminality for failure to comply with a test unless the person is found guilty of the original suspected DUI. What they could do is increase the penalty for a DUI conviction if the person refused the test at the time of the stop and is found to be intoxicated after a warrant is obtained. Add six months on top of the DUI conviction for failure to comply with request for test. If the test, after a warrant is obtained, comes back negative, no penalty whatsoever for refusing w/o a warrant.
 

livespive

Well-Known Member
But that is my point, we already have seatbelts, and airbags. I would view that as more safety than anything.
Hell we have remote control cars out there now, so why not.

Not insinuating anyone approves of driving impaired, just not sure how to police/enforce it if the police/courts can't.

As for monitoring devices, who's going to agree to that? On one hand people don't want to be required to prove their innocence, but in the other isn't a mandatory device in the vehicle doing the same thing?

The outcry against that will be deafening. Where would that stop? Devices could be required to stop the car from moving until all detected passengers have fastened their seatbelt. Devices could be required that will shut down a vehicle if a cell phone is detected within a certain parameter around the driver seat. The government could require automatic speed governing devices making it impossible to exceed the posted speed limit. It could be regulated that your radio volume could not exceed a set decible level.
 

Greg T.

The Jizz Slinger
Interesting, everything previously said.

RE to Greg's video. Interesting how they manage to get around the licensing loophole by requiring a DL to get insurance, which is required to license and tag a vehicle, which is required to operate a vehicle on state roads.

As for the OP and DUI's, I'm torn on that one... there's a lot of dead people thanks to impaired drivers. So how do you prevent DUI deaths if the police cannot be used as a threat to reduce the number of those driving impaired? If you state police can never check for DUI, then I guarantee deaths by DUI will increase rapidly, because nobody will have to worry about getting stopped, much less convicted, for driving drunk.
If it's private property (No lien so YOU own it) there is no registration or insurance required.
 

9andaWiggle

Addicted Member
Insurance may not be required, but registration still is (and yearly inspections). Otherwise, why would everybody still be doing it? Wouldn't, at the very least, lawyers be driving around with no tags (or "exempt" tags)? There are plenty of anti-government types and cheapskates out there who would sniff out such exemptions, yet every vehicle I see on the road has a tag on it - even ones that are paid off... wouldn't there be articles all over the web explaining how to reduce this expense from your budget?

I fail to understand. :Frown:
 

Greg T.

The Jizz Slinger
Insurance may not be required, but registration still is (and yearly inspections). Otherwise, why would everybody still be doing it? Wouldn't, at the very least, lawyers be driving around with no tags (or "exempt" tags)? There are plenty of anti-government types and cheapskates out there who would sniff out such exemptions, yet every vehicle I see on the road has a tag on it - even ones that are paid off... wouldn't there be articles all over the web explaining how to reduce this expense from your budget?

I fail to understand. :Frown:
It's in the constitution. I haven't read the entire thing, but it has to do with private property, the PEOPLE own the streets, NOT the government, the term "driver" is defined as someone who drives a delivery vehicle for a living, and we the people are guaranteed free travel. That makes us travelers and a license is not needed to operate a vehicle, and registration is not needed on private property. They charge because they can get away with it, but they are all illegally charging people to operate private property. Check out you tube. There are actual attorneys on there explaining it. If you have the documentation printed out you drive away from a traffic stop without any licensing or registration.
 

WAMO

Spanking His Monkey
ISNT DRIVING DRUNK, EACH STATE HAS ITS OWN STANDARD, AGAINST THE LAW? WHEN YOU GET YOUR DRIVERS LICENSE, DONT YOU HAVE TO SIGN A PIECE OF PAPER SAYING YOU WILL OBEY ALL TRAFFIC LAWS? EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY NOT BE IMPAIRED, IF YOU ARE ABOVE THE LEGAL LIMIT, YOUR BREAKING THE LAWS YOU SWORE NOT TO. COULDNT EACH STATE PUT THE PHRASE ON THE FORM, THAT YOU AGREE TO ANY CHEMICAL TEST "IF" THE POLICE THINK YOUR BREAKING THE LAW, OR NO LICENSE. AND I DROVE IMPAIRED MORE THAN I SHOULD HAVE. AND HAVE A DWI TO PROVE IT.
 
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