Trump is right - it's a crooked system

9andaWiggle

Addicted Member
Trump is right, it's definitely a crooked system that is NOT working to do what's best for America.

From the article:

"Amazingly, there are few limits on what a candidate can do to try to win a delegate's vote — short of an explicit cash bribe or a promise of federal office. “Things like travel and meals and subsistence and expenses are all perfectly legal,” noted GOP lawyer Ben Ginsberg, who isn't working for any of the remaining candidates."


And this little gem;

"Other campaigns are already making promises; a South Dakota delegate told her hometown newspaper that Kasich aides offered to “take care” of her while she's in Cleveland.

“If I get a lunch with LeBron James, that might be a turning point,” she explained."


That's right. Lunch with LeBron could be what decides who a Presidential candidate will be. Not careful reflection on who the best candidate for America might be. Not who might be better at the job. Lunch with a fucking celebrity! BULLSHIT!! KICK ALL THE CROOKED BITCHES AND BASTARDS OUT!!

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0420-mcmanus-trump-delegate-strategy-20160420-column.html
 

toolguru

Total Tool
Nine, I know you're not surprised by this. I doubt anybody on this site is shocked by this...well, I can think of one or two.
Maybe the reason Trump ran is too blow up the Republican Party. He has to know that he not electable. He has to know that the RNC thinks he's toxic. He has to know that if the RNC takes the nomination from him at the convention, all hell well break loose and the Republican Party will implode. The question is, what is his motive? Who talked him into it? What does he gain from it?
Why is Kasich still running? The RNC rules say you must actually win in 8 state primaries to get the nomination in a brokered convention. He's not close! Yet he thinks he has a chance. Are we seeing how crooked the Republican Party is? Will the Democrats show their hand after this? We know their both crooked but neither of them have been willing to show us how crooked they are until the Republican Party decided they were going to show us this year.
 

9andaWiggle

Addicted Member
Not surprised it happens, but surprised they're being so bold and blatant about it. It's like they've become the bully who pushes you down and takes your lunch money while smugly saying "What are you going to do about it? That's right... NOTHING!"

With Trump, are we finally nearing the point where the victim (voters) can't take it anymore and are going to go Postal on the bully? I think we might be seeing the beginning of it. This has the potential to become a monumental shift that will be in future history books. At the least it looks like we're witnessing the end of the Republican party.
 

WAMO

Spanking His Monkey
ITS OBVIOUS. THE CLINTONS PAID TRUMP TO RUN.
THERE WAS A POLITICAL LAW PROFESSOR FROM SMU ON THE LOCAL NEWS LAST NIGHT. SHE SAID THAT HAD TRUMP WON 70% OF THE STATES, HE STILL WOULD NOT GET THE RNC NOD. SHE ALSO SAID SHE IS NO FAN NOR WOULD SHE VOTE FOR TRUMP, BUT SHE SAID THE SYSTEM IS FLAWED, CUZ HE WILL GET SCREWED.
 

WAMO

Spanking His Monkey
IN ANOTHER THREAD ON THIS SITE, SOMEONE MENTIONED ELECTING HILLARY JUST BECAUSE OF THE HISTORICAL ASPECT. WHY NOT ELECT A NON LIFETIME POLITICIAN? THAT WOULD BE HISTORICAL!
 

9andaWiggle

Addicted Member
It IS interesting that The Donald has supported the Clintons in the past... but if the GOP is that weak and unstable, then this is what they get.
 

AlwaysWrite

Addicted Member
Trump is right, it's definitely a crooked system that is NOT working to do what's best for America.

From the article:

"Amazingly, there are few limits on what a candidate can do to try to win a delegate's vote — short of an explicit cash bribe or a promise of federal office. “Things like travel and meals and subsistence and expenses are all perfectly legal,” noted GOP lawyer Ben Ginsberg, who isn't working for any of the remaining candidates."


And this little gem;

"Other campaigns are already making promises; a South Dakota delegate told her hometown newspaper that Kasich aides offered to “take care” of her while she's in Cleveland.

“If I get a lunch with LeBron James, that might be a turning point,” she explained."


That's right. Lunch with LeBron could be what decides who a Presidential candidate will be. Not careful reflection on who the best candidate for America might be. Not who might be better at the job. Lunch with a fucking celebrity! BULLSHIT!! KICK ALL THE CROOKED BITCHES AND BASTARDS OUT!!

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0420-mcmanus-trump-delegate-strategy-20160420-column.html
Dear 9andaWiggle:

Those things certainly help reduce or take away the will of the voting public, indeed making it a "rigged" system. And the polls indicating that Trump couldn't beat Clinton in a general election are based on samples of a few hundred people, whereas the REAL POLLS -- except in states such as Colorado and Wyoming, where the establishment insiders totally control the delegates -- that SHOULD count are the millions and millions of votes cast for Trump, up until now and in the future.
 

AlwaysWrite

Addicted Member
It IS interesting that The Donald has supported the Clintons in the past... but if the GOP is that weak and unstable, then this is what they get.
... but at least, that indicates that The Donald isn't rigidly one-sided when it comes to party loyalty, and it indicates that he almost certainly would be more willing to make GOOD compromises than Barack Hussein Obama, who is more willing to compromise and deal with Iran than with members of the U.S. Congress.
 

Greg T.

The Jizz Slinger
This just shows how fucked up the duopoly is. The dnc offers a fucking lying crook, and an admitted socialist. And, the rnc is shooting itself in ghe foot by not supporting who the people really want. The dnc is guarranteeing complete collapse of our economy, and the gop is fucking their only chance at a win.
 

bbfreeburn

Active Member
Greg, below is a definition of socialism. Sanders calls himself a democratic socialist - you might read the highlighted section on that. Just pointing out that there are many types of socialism. And you do realize, of course, that you currently live in a socialist state? How did we get highways? Schools? Fire departments? Police?
We got these things and more thru the allocation of capital collected by a central authority from the masses. That's socialism in action.

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Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production,[7] as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim at their establishment.[8] Social ownership may refer to public ownership, cooperative ownership, citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these.[9] Although there are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[10] social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.[5][11][12]

Socialism can be divided into both non-market and market forms.[13] Non-market socialism involves the substitution of factor markets and money with engineering and technical criteria based on calculation performed in-kind, thereby producing an economic mechanism that functions according to different economic laws than those of capitalism. Non-market socialism aims to circumvent the inefficiencies and crises traditionally associated with capital accumulation and the profit system.[22] By contrast, market socialism retains the use of monetary prices, factor markets, and, in some cases, the profit motive with respect to the operation of socially-owned enterprises and the allocation of capital goods between them. Profits generated by these firms would be controlled directly by the workforce of each firm or accrue to society at large in the form of a social dividend.[23][24][25] The feasibility and exact methods of resource allocation and calculation for a socialist system are the subjects of the socialist calculation debate.

The socialist political movement includes a diverse array of political philosophies that originated amid the revolutionary movements of the mid-to-late 1700s out of general concern for the social problems that were associated with capitalism.[10] In addition to the debate over markets and planning, the varieties of socialism differ in their form of social ownership, how management is to be organized within productive institutions, and the role of the state in constructing socialism.[2][10] Core dichotomies associated with these concerns include reformism versus revolutionary socialism, and state socialism versus libertarian socialism. Socialist politics has been both centralist and decentralized; internationalist and nationalist in orientation; organized through political parties and opposed to party politics; at times overlapping with trade unions and at other times independent of, and critical of, unions; and present in both industrialized and developing countries.[26] While all tendencies of socialism consider themselves democratic, the term "democratic socialism" is often used to highlight its advocates' high value for democratic processes and political systems and usually to draw contrast to other socialist tendencies they may perceive to be undemocratic in their approach.[27]

By the late 19th century, and after further articulation and advancement by Karl Marx and his collaborator Friedrich Engels as the culmination of technological development outstripping the economic dynamics of capitalism,[28] "socialism" had come to signify opposition to capitalism and advocacy for a post-capitalist system based on some form of social ownership of the means of production.[29][30] Socialism proceeded to emerge as the most influential secular political-economic worldview of the twentieth century,[31] and while the emergence of the Soviet Union as the world's first nominally socialist state led to socialism's widespread association with the Soviet economic model, many economists and intellectuals have argued that in practice the model functioned as a form of state capitalism[32][33][34] or a non-planned administrative or command economy in practice.[35][36] Socialist parties and ideas remain a political force with varying degrees of power and influence in all continents, heading national governments in many countries around the world. Today, some socialists have also adopted the causes of other social movements, such as environmentalism, feminism and liberalism.[37]
 
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