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WAMO

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SANE? ANY AMERICAN WHO IS WILLING TO TURN THEIR GUNS ON ANOTHER AMERICAN BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW ABOUT HOW TO HANDLE GUN VIOLENCE IS NOT A SANE PERSON. NOT EVEN CLOSE.
 

Greg T.

The Jazz Singer
SANE? ANY AMERICAN WHO IS WILLING TO TURN THEIR GUNS ON ANOTHER AMERICAN BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW ABOUT HOW TO HANDLE GUN VIOLENCE IS NOT A SANE PERSON. NOT EVEN CLOSE.
Thanx for making my point. We have a mental illness problem in this country. Not a gun problem. Taking away all my guns will not stop these nuts from killing. Thousands were killed when the twin towers were attacked and not one round was fired.
 

9andaWiggle

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You're not going to see a (sane) government nuke it's own country in order to force compliance. The idea of a tyrannical government is to make the people submit by disarming them. Not turning the country into an ice rink.
Our government has used the military (jointly with the FBI and BATF) to go after private citizens in our own country. In those instances, they were able to eliminate the citizens with simple guns. You're telling me it's not possible they'd bring in an A-10 or an Apache to level their building if conventional gunfights were unsuccessful? Nukes are unlikely, but the argument is our military has them and the 2A says we should be able to have them too. I want a fully armed A-10 to go blow up targets on my ranch. That sounds like a helluva lot of fun!
 

WAMO

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SEE G, WE DO AGREE. HAVING A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW DOES NOT MAKE YOU LESS SANE. ANY LAW ABIDDING AMERICAN CITIZEN WHO IS WILLING TO SHOOT ANOTHER AMERICAN FOR ANY REASON, IS NOT SANE. I BELIEVE I PROVED MY FACTUAL POINT WAY BEYOND WHAT I NEEDED TO. THANKS FOR FINALLY SEEING THINGS MY WAY. :Thumbsup: THERE WERE SEVERAL SHOTS FIRED DURING THE TWIN TOWER ATTACKS.
 

Greg T.

The Jazz Singer
Our government has used the military (jointly with the FBI and BATF) to go after private citizens in our own country. In those instances, they were able to eliminate the citizens with simple guns. You're telling me it's not possible they'd bring in an A-10 or an Apache to level their building if conventional gunfights were unsuccessful? Nukes are unlikely, but the argument is our military has them and the 2A says we should be able to have them too. I want a fully armed A-10 to go blow up targets on my ranch. That sounds like a helluva lot of fun!
I see no reason you shouldn't be able to have one. I can understand your point and I know exactly where you're going. My point is the constitution was written so that it would be impossible for a tyrannical government to do as you describe. What I am saying is that we need to adhere to constitution as it was written, or, it must be ratified to better reflect the current times. ANY "law" that is written pertaining to firearms is unconstitutional. The only LEGAL way to regulate firearms is to amend the constitution. PLUS, you know as well as I do that fewer crimes are committed in gun friendly zones that gun free zones. And that is my entire point. Idiots who march and preach about gun control don't know the facts.
 

Scolai

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SEE G, WE DO AGREE. HAVING A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW DOES NOT MAKE YOU LESS SANE. ANY LAW ABIDDING AMERICAN CITIZEN WHO IS WILLING TO SHOOT ANOTHER AMERICAN FOR ANY REASON, IS NOT SANE. I BELIEVE I PROVED MY FACTUAL POINT WAY BEYOND WHAT I NEEDED TO. THANKS FOR FINALLY SEEING THINGS MY WAY. :Thumbsup: THERE WERE SEVERAL SHOTS FIRED DURING THE TWIN TOWER ATTACKS.
Lemme stop you right there, bruh, because this logic is about as fucked as a side skank at a frat party.

If a couple of rough-and-tumble guys from the neighborhood just down the road apiece from my place get the urge to kick my door in while I'm at work, you're saying my wife, who works from the comfort of our living room is, "not sane," if she ventilates them with extreme prejudice before they rape and kill her. Is that what I'm hearing?

Or, if the leftist progressive dick-huggers out there get their way after Trump is re-elected in 2020, someone's of an AR-15 to protect home and family from mob violence makes them, "not sane."

Look. You're entitled to your opinion on guns, no matter how illogical and dangerous it may be. But the fact that your puerile little brain can't fathom a need for some weapons doesn't give you the right to demand that 10+ million owners of AR- and AK-platform weapons need to be disarmed for you to feel some sense of faux comfort.

I don't know which rock you live under that keeps you safe from the loons, nuts, psychos, and criminals in our midst, but you are taking one HUGE fucking risk by justifying gun bans by believing that violence will never rear it's ugly head in your presence.

Don't get me wrong. I can seriously fuck up a human body without a firearm, but if the odds are stacked against me, I want that force equalizer in my hands.

If the shit hits the fan for you, while you're sitting in a corner pissing yourself, I hope the cops show up before everything - and everyone - you know and love in life is stolen from you.
 
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WAMO

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I WOULDNT PISS IN A CORNER. I WOULD BE PISSING ON THEIR PRONE BODY. WITHOUT USING A GUN THAT IS. JUST BECAUSE THEY KICK THE DOOR IN DOES NOT MEAN THOSE BAD THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN. I HOPE NOT ANYWAY. HOPE YOUR WHOLE FAMILY REMAINS SAFE. IF THAT EVER HAPPENS, I WOULD HOPE SHE WOULD LEAVE THRU ANOTHER DOOR. OR LOCK HERSELF IN THE SAFE ROOM YOU HAD BUILT FOR YOUR FAMILY, WITHOUT HAVING TO VENTILATE ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. SURELY YA'LL PRACTICE GETTING OUT SAFELY, RIGHT? YOU HAVE A SAFE ROOM RIGHT? OR IS YOUR FAMILY NOT FULLY PROTECTED WITHOUT MAYBE HAVING TO KILL SOMEONE. SHOOTING SOMEONE TO DEATH, OR TAKING A LIFE AT ALL, SHOULD BE THE LAST RESORT ANY HUMAN BEING HAS TO TAKE. I AM SORRY THAT YOU ARE CYNICAL ENOUGH TO THINK THAT WAY. OR MAYBE YOU SHOULD MOVE TO A BETTER HOOD. ISNT SAFETY WHAT YOUR CONCERN TRUELY IS, BRUH. AR15'S AND LIKE RIFLES ARE NOT USED IN HOME PROTECTION. NOR FOR HUNTING, EXCEPT HUNTING HUMANS.
SOMETIMES SIDE SCANKS ARE THE BEST LAY. :Biggrin::Whistling:
 

WAMO

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THATS THE THING TO SCOLAI, I DONT LIVE MY LIFE WONDERING IF IM GOING TO BE ATTACKED TODAY. IF THAT CROSSES YOUR MIND EVERYDAY, I FEEL BAD FOR THAT.
 

Scolai

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I WOULDNT PISS IN A CORNER. I WOULD BE PISSING ON THEIR PRONE BODY. WITHOUT USING A GUN THAT IS. JUST BECAUSE THEY KICK THE DOOR IN DOES NOT MEAN THOSE BAD THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN. I HOPE NOT ANYWAY. HOPE YOUR WHOLE FAMILY REMAINS SAFE. IF THAT EVER HAPPENS, I WOULD HOPE SHE WOULD LEAVE THRU ANOTHER DOOR. OR LOCK HERSELF IN THE SAFE ROOM YOU HAD BUILT FOR YOUR FAMILY, WITHOUT HAVING TO VENTILATE ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. SURELY YA'LL PRACTICE GETTING OUT SAFELY, RIGHT? YOU HAVE A SAFE ROOM RIGHT? OR IS YOUR FAMILY NOT FULLY PROTECTED WITHOUT MAYBE HAVING TO KILL SOMEONE. SHOOTING SOMEONE TO DEATH, OR TAKING A LIFE AT ALL, SHOULD BE THE LAST RESORT ANY HUMAN BEING HAS TO TAKE. I AM SORRY THAT YOU ARE CYNICAL ENOUGH TO THINK THAT WAY. OR MAYBE YOU SHOULD MOVE TO A BETTER HOOD. ISNT SAFETY WHAT YOUR CONCERN TRUELY IS, BRUH. AR15'S AND LIKE RIFLES ARE NOT USED IN HOME PROTECTION. NOR FOR HUNTING, EXCEPT HUNTING HUMANS.
SOMETIMES SIDE SCANKS ARE THE BEST LAY. :Biggrin::Whistling:
So much stupid here.

How are you going to get a trio of intruders into prone position without a force multiplier? What special training do you have that you're not telling us about?

In my house, we don't have to hope bad things won't happen. We have planned against the contingency. When a bunch of guys kick in the door, we're not taking the time to assess their intent. The very act of kicking in the door tells us everything we need to know about intent: it's not good.

And why the FUCK should my wife be left defenseless and be forced to abandon her home (and possible one or more of her children) to a group of half-shit/half-human wastes of oxygen who decide to target my legally-occupied domicile? Killing someone IS the last resort. She was fine and they were fine - until they kicked in a door. Now they have forced her to respond in the most violent way necessary to protect herself and her kids.

The problem here is that you know shit about how violence happens. As someone who teaches response to violence, I can tell you that your idealized version of violence is a fairy tale. It's the proverbial unicorn. You think shit will happen, you'll take a moment to assess your options, and then you'll make the decision to run toward the back door (leaving your family behind, perhaps?). The reality is this: while you're busying yourself trying to decide intent or which way to run, normalcy bias will kick in and you'll sit there like a statue until someone punches you in the head. You thought you had it figured out, that it would never happen to you, so you never developed a real plan. And now your entire life is changed forever, assuming you survive the encounter.

Your ignorance of firearms is equally dangerous. You watched the video Greg posted earlier and called the woman a pejorative. You can't accept that the AR is perfectly designed for maneuverability and accuracy - two things someone needs in a home-invasion scenario.. Your assertion that AR-15s aren't used in home defense is patently stupid. I did a 5-second google search and came up with more examples than I could read. To you, it's just a scary rifle that doesn't belong in civilian hands. To some, it's the difference between life or death.

Hunting? We use AR-15s here in Eastern NC to hunt wild boar all. The. Fucking. Time. They are also used to kill coyotes and other animal predators. Your ignorance is, frankly, embarrassing.

You know what firearms give people that your plan of action doesn't? Security.
Security against being a victim.
Security against a rogue government (vis-a-vis, Democrats)
Security against civil unrest.
Security against home invasion.

I have a very long history of planning for the worst, and, as a result, I don't have to worry about it very day. You, on the other hand, without plan or a weapon relying solely on hope, SHOULD worry about it every day.

Good luck. If shit ever happens, you're going to need it.
 
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WAMO

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FIRST YOU SAID 2 THUGS, SO NOW ITS 3 THUGS. FIRST IT WAS JUST YOUR WIFE. NOW ITS WIFE AND KIDS. NO, I WOULD NOT LEAVE MY FAMILY BEHIND. REALLY DUMBASS STATEMENT!
I HAVE WELL OVER 100 FRIENDS THAT HUNT AND HUNT WILD PIGS, NO AR INVOLVED. MUST BE SIZE COMPENSATION UP YOUR WAY.
DEFENSELESS? HOW ABOUT A STUN GUN? OR SOME OTHER WAY TO STOP THEM WITHOUT KILLING THEM? WHY IS KILLING ANOTHER HUMAN BEING YOUR ONLY THOUGHT PROCESS. HOW ABOUT WORKING TOWARDS MAKING SOCIETY BETTER?
I WOULD NOT FREEZE. NEVER HAVE, NEVER WILL. BUT KILLING SOMEONE ISNT MY FIRST THOUGHT. I HOPE YOU TEACH YOUR STUDENTS BETTER THAN YOU EXPLAIN IT ON HERE. NOT ALL PEOPLE ARE CAPABLE OF DEALING WITH KILLING SOMEONE.
OWNING A GUN ONLY GIVES THE APPEARANCE OF SECURITY. LOOK AND SEE HOW MANY HOMEOWNERS ARE KILLED WITH THEIR OWN GUNS.
WHAT I WORRY ABOUT IS SOMEONE WALKING INTO ONE OF MY GRANDKIDS OR YOUR KIDS SCHOOLS AND START SHOOTING.
 

Greg T.

The Jazz Singer
Some people just need killin'. Here in michigan and a handful of other states, shooting home invaders is justifiable homicide. You arm yourself with a phone all you want, but remember; When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.
 

Scolai

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FIRST YOU SAID 2 THUGS, SO NOW ITS 3 THUGS. FIRST IT WAS JUST YOUR WIFE. NOW ITS WIFE AND KIDS. NO, I WOULD NOT LEAVE MY FAMILY BEHIND. REALLY DUMBASS STATEMENT!
I HAVE WELL OVER 100 FRIENDS THAT HUNT AND HUNT WILD PIGS, NO AR INVOLVED. MUST BE SIZE COMPENSATION UP YOUR WAY.
DEFENSELESS? HOW ABOUT A STUN GUN? OR SOME OTHER WAY TO STOP THEM WITHOUT KILLING THEM? WHY IS KILLING ANOTHER HUMAN BEING YOUR ONLY THOUGHT PROCESS. HOW ABOUT WORKING TOWARDS MAKING SOCIETY BETTER?
I WOULD NOT FREEZE. NEVER HAVE, NEVER WILL. BUT KILLING SOMEONE ISNT MY FIRST THOUGHT. I HOPE YOU TEACH YOUR STUDENTS BETTER THAN YOU EXPLAIN IT ON HERE. NOT ALL PEOPLE ARE CAPABLE OF DEALING WITH KILLING SOMEONE.
OWNING A GUN ONLY GIVES THE APPEARANCE OF SECURITY. LOOK AND SEE HOW MANY HOMEOWNERS ARE KILLED WITH THEIR OWN GUNS.
WHAT I WORRY ABOUT IS SOMEONE WALKING INTO ONE OF MY GRANDKIDS OR YOUR KIDS SCHOOLS AND START SHOOTING.
I don't give a full shit how many people it is. Why are you arguing such an irrelevant point?

One person. Ten people. I don't give a shit. If it's my wife, or my wife and kids or my WHOLE FUCKING FAMILY including grandma and all the cousins - a motherfucker kicks in my door, it's not the time for asking questions about intent.

People around here use the AR for hunting, compensation or not. It's useful for the task, so it goes into the field. Your statement was that people don't use that weapon for hunting. You're wrong, but that's not surprising, as your track record on accuracy so far sucks.

Killing someone is NOT my only defensive thought process, but it is the necessary plan under some circumstances. Again, your ignorance of violence and self-defense is profound. I don't have time or space in this little text box to elaborate on all the nuance that is self-defense philosophy and practice. Suffice it to say, I have forgotten more than you've ever known about protecting yourself and others.

And you will freeze. You can talk a big game behind your keyboard, but you WILL freeze. You're not immune to the effects of adrenaline and normalcy bias. Without training, you will become a catatonic little statue standing there getting your shit kicked in before you snap out of it. By then, it's too late. I just hope your insurance is up to the task of taking care of what's left.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you're probably one of those progressive sorts who believes that all lives matter and that everyone deserves a chance at redemption. News flash, my guy: not all lives matter. In fact, there have been a bunch of human vermin that I think would have been better served to have been swallowed or shot up momma's ass before conception. There are some seriously poisonous human beings out there whose only goal is to make victims of others for their own pleasure or benefit. When they show up to do harm, defenders are doing society a favor by putting them in a box.

You? You'd invite them in for tea and biscuits before they slit your throat.

You do you, guy.
 

WAMO

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YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THAT THE WIFE AND KIDS THING. BUT, 1 GUY KICKS THE DOOR DOWN, STUN GUN HAS HER COVERED. 10 GUYS KICK THE DOOR IN, WELL...I HOPE NOONE IN YOUR FAMILY IS INJURED, EVER!
NOT SCARED. WOULDNT FREEZE. ITS HAPPENED, AND I HELD UP QUIT NICELY THANK YOU. BEHIND YOUR KEYBOARD YOU THINK YOUR A KNOW IT ALL. BUT, YOUR NOT.
TEACHING ISNT DOING. SORRY.
YOUR WRONG, I DO NOT BELIEVE ALL CAN BE SAVED. YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE. I WOULD RATHER MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. SORRY I DONT THINK YOUR WAY.
YOU CONTINUE TO DO YOU AND I WILL CONTINUE TO DO THE RIGHT THING. THANX BRUH!
 

Scolai

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I'm not a know-it-all, which is why I continue to train. I will never be a know-it-all, and I acknowledge that reality.

Teaching IS doing - at least to the degree that it is possible to emulate dire situations. Hoping that I will never be a victim, especially as I find myself growing older, is a recipe for disaster.

I live my life with the expectation that I will avoid violence whenever possible, but when it's not possible to avoid violence, I will rain Hell itself upon my aggressor.

Again, good luck with that 'hope' thing.
 

WAMO

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AS I LIVE MY LIFE ALSO SCOLAI. I WILL NOT FREEZE. I WILL NOT ALLOW HARM TO MY FAMILY EITHER, WITHIN MY CONTROL. AND I HEAR YA ON THE OLDER THING. DAMN, THATS GETTING TOUGHER AND TOUGHER. AS FAR AS HOPE...I HOPE NOTHING BUT GOOD TIMES GOOD TIMES FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
 
WAMO, I don't know if you're a gun owner but sometimes you have NO CHOICE. I just know if shit hits the fan I have that option, it may not be the only option but then again in might be and I have it if need be.
As far as the intruder goes, he lost his option when breaks down my door.
 

9andaWiggle

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So just smash the intruder in the face with a hammer. Hammers kill more people than rifles every year, so they're clearly the better choice for quick, unexpected hand to hand combat. We can debate whether the ball-peen is superior to the claw in a different thread... Plus, your ears (and the ears of your family) will thank you. Unless everyone plans to have hearing and eye protection firmly in place before shooting the intruder? I hate to think how bad that would hurt my ears firing off a round in the living room.
 
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