Republican Platform

Good Times Good Times

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One thing that confuses me is why the Republican party does what it does on social issues. A lot of it is to the right of Trump.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/us/politics/republican-convention-issues.html

"Republicans moved on Tuesday toward adopting a staunchly conservative platform that takes a strict, traditionalist view of the family and child rearing, bars military women from combat, describes coal as a “clean” energy source and declares pornography a “public health crisis.”

"And what Republicans will probably end up with when they formally vote next week to ratify the platform approved in committee on Tuesday is a text that can seem almost Victorian in its moralizing and deeply critical of how the modern American family has evolved.

The platform demands that lawmakers use religion as a guide when legislating, stipulating “that man-made law must be consistent with God-given, natural rights.”


I mean...............REALLY? Are muslim legislators supposed to do this or only Christian? As someone who has Christian beliefs.......I don't think I should impose my faith on those of you who do not believe. I need to be a legislator of all the people, NOT just those who've voted for me. I can still practice my faith but why do I inject it into public policy of the people? My understanding is that Greg isn't into "formal religion" so wouldn't that be unfair of me to do TO him (this is just an example, and if I'm wrong Greg I'll certainly remove this example).

It also encourages the teaching of the Bible in public schools because, the amendment said, a good understanding of its contents is “indispensable for the development of an educated citizenry.”

Not just the teaching of it..........but IN the PUBLIC schools. Basically, I'm literally supposed to believe, that an educated citizenry is IMPOSSIBLE apart from Bibles in the public schools.

"The pornography provision was not in an initial draft that the Republican National Committee drew up and released on Sunday. But delegates added it on Monday at the same time they were inserting many of the amendments opposing gay and transgender rights. It calls pornography “a public menace” that is especially harmful to children."

I know every last one of you are ALL victim to this public menace! :Laugh: :Laugh: :Laugh:

"Much of the most combative debate centered on language in the platform that describes gay and transgender people, and efforts to strip those words out and replace them with language proposed by a minority contingent of socially moderate delegates."

The platform calls for overturning the Supreme Court marriage decision with a constitutional amendment and makes references to appointing judges “who respect traditional family values.”

“Has a dead horse been beaten enough yet?” asked Annie Dickerson, a committee member from New York, who chastised her colleagues for writing language offensive to gays into the platform “again and again and again.”

We can't listen to the moderate wing........and their "use respectable language" stuff. Believe it or not there are people that live "non-traditional" lifestyles that are fiscally conservative. The Donald is probably quite liberal on LGBT issues. I doubt he cares if same-sex couples marry & raise a family. After all, they could be his clients when he goes back to his business holdings.

My question is.........how do they not know this is the stuff that loses elections? I mean........do they honestly believe their platform has appeal to VERY large voting bases (latinos, LGBT community, blacks)? Do you all truly believe this doesn't alienate ( :Alien: ) large voting blocks?

Is there something I'm missing? Is this just that the Koch brothers paid good money for a double down, so.....this is it? :confused:
 
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Good Times Good Times

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GTGT; I believe it's called political suicide. Except for the fact that the Republican party is already dead.
I just don't understand why they keep doing the same things in the platform (arguably going MORE to the right) every time when society has changed.

Does it seem like more theocracy?
 
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9andaWiggle

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They don't want society to change. And right now they still have enough power to try advancing their position.
 

Good Times Good Times

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They don't want society to change. And right now they still have enough power to try advancing their position.
But hasn't society already changed? It seems as if the social conservatives are appealing to a theocracy.

I realize they have some power now but man.........they really like to alienate large groups of people.
 

Good Times Good Times

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What is bizarre to me is, I can still be in a straight marriage, I can still teach my children the Bible, I can still work/live how I want, I can still attend church on Sunday, I can still do anything I want etc...........so I'm confused as to why I would care what other people do. That's what's strange to me.
 

9andaWiggle

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But hasn't society already changed? It seems as if the social conservatives are appealing to a theocracy.
It has overall, but not for their base. You get outside the major metropolitan areas, and people *generally* are much more conservative (in my experience, primarily in "Red" central/midwest states). So, you have a couple dozen population dense urban areas that, by sheer numbers, wield a lot of power and influence. But outside city limits, they'll all say "I don't live my life like that. I won't live my life like that."
 

Good Times Good Times

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But outside city limits, they'll all say "I don't live my life like that. I won't live my life like that."
And they don't have to.....but why do they want to obstruct how others live their lives? Social conservatism is just a strange entity to me. I share a lot of the same views but I don't require others to share them. I don't get why they do.
 

9andaWiggle

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And they don't have to.....but why do they want to obstruct how others live their lives? Social conservatism is just a strange entity to me. I share a lot of the same views but I don't require others to share them. I don't get why they do.
I don't think this is only a right side phenomenon. The left equally wants to control what people do, and both use the claim of "doing what's right" and "protecting people" as the sales pitch. They just have different platforms. Actually, I think the left is more dangerous and vindictive towards those who oppose their views than the right.

But generally, I'm with you. It's stupid to block beer sales on Sunday and block the building of casinos. Especially when so many "Christians" drink and gamble. Plus, why does smoking get a free pass?

One religious theme I notice the right does not have an issue with is the deadly sin of greed. ;)
 

Good Times Good Times

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I don't think this is only a right side phenomenon. The left equally wants to control what people do, and both use the claim of "doing what's right" and "protecting people" as the sales pitch. They just have different platforms. Actually, I think the left is more dangerous and vindictive towards those who oppose their views than the right.

But generally, I'm with you. It's stupid to block beer sales on Sunday and block the building of casinos. Especially when so many "Christians" drink and gamble. Plus, why does smoking get a free pass?

One religious theme I notice the right does not have an issue with is the deadly sin of greed. ;)
And you'll certainly find me in opposition to things like banning oversized pop and nanny-state stuff.

Again, I don't understand why someone couldn't just not buy beer on Sunday and not gamble. Why would I bring YOU down and obstruct you picking up a 12 pack before your football party or you playing some cards at the casino when I can just not do it myself. "I don't like it therefore YOU WON'T be allowed to do it (via legislation)" is nuts!

"Ahh, that's just my religion ~9".....................I don't think that's an acceptable answer.
 

bbfreeburn

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They don't want society to change. And right now they still have enough power to try advancing their position.
While they may not want society to change, only a fool would argue that it hasn't/isn't. States are legalizing same sex marriage and marijuana. The middle class is shrinking. What we think of as "family" has been changing since we started putting grandma in nursing homes. Face it folks, the Republicans are social Luddotes. But it won't work, just as it didn't work at the dawn of the machine age.
 

Greg T.

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I don't think this is only a right side phenomenon. The left equally wants to control what people do, and both use the claim of "doing what's right" and "protecting people" as the sales pitch. They just have different platforms. Actually, I think the left is more dangerous and vindictive towards those who oppose their views than the right.

But generally, I'm with you. It's stupid to block beer sales on Sunday and block the building of casinos. Especially when so many "Christians" drink and gamble. Plus, why does smoking get a free pass?

One religious theme I notice the right does not have an issue with is the deadly sin of greed. ;)

You hit it perfectly, 9. This is what I've said for many years, and is the reason I tell everyone that the Democrat party left me, I did not leave it. I never was a true republican, for many reasons, but was forced to side with them because of their being fiscally conservative. As I stood and watched the Democrats become more and more power hungry, evil and nearing the communist label, I also watched the Republicans becoming more and more the party of religion, and attempting to rule under the guidance of the bible. But, here is the problem the GOP is going to have with people like me. Most of the people in my shoes, that don't fit in ANY party, would usually vote republican because of their "take responsibility for your own actions", "work, don't mooch", "keep what you earn", "follow the constitution", and many many more beliefs, are being left out in the cold. Just as much as I hate going towards communism and martial law, I cannot agree with governing via the bible. The GOP is shooting itself in the foot because "we" have no place to go. And, being a duopoly (other parties are fucking joke) not voting for either party is a vote for the democrats. I've resigned myself to the fact that I must now vote against someone rather than FOR someone. Now, you have to agree that voting in Killary is the absolute WORST thing this country can do. THAT is why my vote is for Trump. At least he's pissed off BOTH sides and that should say something right there. He's trying to get back to the cs of actually fixing a broken country, rather than worrying about making his party happy.
 

Greg T.

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So the best way to fight the duopoly is to vote for part of it?

Greg, we need you on team #NoDuopoly
I see your point and actually agree with it. The problem? A "No Vote" for Trump this time around is as good as a vote for Killary. Once again we are forced to vote AGAINST someone rather than FOR someone. That is exactly what I stated above. Most of those discontented with the current duopoly do not want to give a murderer, liar, crooked cheating completely purchased asshole the oval office. We also know that a third party cannot win until both Dems and Conservatives are destroyed. We need BOTH parties to fail and go away before this clusterfuck can be fixed. Yes, I realize that I am going to be part of the problem, BUT, I also stated that I would vote for Trump if he were running on a Martian ticket.
 

Spider

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What is bizarre to me is, I can still be in a straight marriage, I can still teach my children the Bible, I can still work/live how I want, I can still attend church on Sunday, I can still do anything I want etc...........so I'm confused as to why I would care what other people do. That's what's strange to me.

And you can use any potty you want. Life is good.
 
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