Serious question; What is expected?

[9andaWiggle]

Regarding the kneeling and protesting of police brutality / crooked courts, it has received attention but what is expected to come about from it? What do people who kneel think will come about? That bad cops, crooked judges / DA's will suddenly just change their ways and conform to whatever utopian vision they have? That racists will suddenly stop being racist?

Further, what do they expect the rest of us to do? They want me to acknowledge the problem. Fine. Sure, I never said the system was perfect. But what do they honestly think I can do about it? Corrupt cops, judges, lawmakers, etc. don't care about me or my opinion of how they should behave any more than they do anyone else. Just because I'm white doesn't mean I have any special powers to influence other white people to think/behave any certain way.

My white privilege only goes so far. But in all seriousness, the only color anybody gives a shit about is green. If you don't have a lot of it, you and your opinions don't matter.

 

[livespive]

The only thing you can do is to continue to bring awareness to it. Sooner or later enough people will take notice and possible take a stand.
It is like wearing pink for breast cancer, we can't cure it, but we can raise awareness about it and get enough people into it that maybe the ball will roll.

So far kneeling has been the most peaceful. I would rather see this than violence.

I was listening to the radio this morning and a guy was talking about white privilege. He made some points, but not 100% true.
One(call it two) of his biggest things was that why didn't Trump jump on the terrorist band wagon like he has done so many times know that if it would have been anyone of any color that's what he would have done? Why have all of the white shooters been called lone wolves?
Why didn't he call this guy an SOB like he called the NFL?

I always think that you cannot label it a terrorist act until you have all of the information.

You are correct, green is the only color that matters.

Like I have always said, it is the have not's vs. the have got's, and the sooner we ALL realize that, the better we ALL will be.

 

[AlwaysWrite]

Regardless of the kneeling and protesting of the NFL players (and the merits or non-merits of the protests), the involved players should -- but probably don't -- realize that their "message" IS NOT COMING ACROSS AT ALL.

There is plenty of media coverage of the protests, BUT virtually nothing about the "message." Rather, the coverage by the lamestream media only attempts to push an anti-Trump agenda, and rather than a "message" situation, the reports have wound up leading the general public (and football fans) to believe that the protests are anti-Anthem, anti-flag and anti-military.

Therefore, the method of the protests is IDIOTIC and not well-thought-out, because they are definitely resulting in A LOT MORE negative than positive opinions.

 

[Greg T.]

If all these loud mouthed attention whores would put as much energy into actually DOING something as they do whining about it, they MAY accomplish something. Whatever the fuck it is they want...

 

[AlwaysWrite]

If all these loud mouthed attention whores would put as much energy into actually DOING something as they do whining about it, they MAY accomplish something. Whatever the fuck it is they want...

... but supporting, or indirectly supporting, such slogans as "What do we want? Dead cops? When do we want it? Now" and "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon" isn't likely to sway anywhere near a majority of Americans to their side.

 

[livespive]

See it is thinking like that that keep us from going anywhere....

Using that logic, we would still be under the queen.

Like I said it is used to raise awareness....

It is either a peaceful protest or riots. We have had a sample of riots, and I prefer peace.

Example:

http://qfm96.com/news/061160-officer-suspended-for-body-cam-comments/

This one just happened (I don't know if it is my work filter, but I can't play the video).

The cops were entering the store to arrest the subject. You can hear one cop over the mic say "body cam"
as if to warn the other officers not to do anything stupid, but yet all of the officers are caught on file punching and kicking the guy.
Why not shock him? he had no weapon, and if they were that close there was no excuse......

Then after the arrest when they are outside congratulating each other on the arrest one is caught saying good arm bar,
me, I would have killed him.

That is why they protest, that is why they kneel. If the flag means liberty justice peace sacrifice and all of that, then there is definitely a problem.

I am not worrying about people kneeling to the flag and the anthem, there is no disrespect as it says you should stand......

The real disrespect comes from fellow academy cadets that are supposed to be comrades in arms writing racial slurs in the dorms.
Hell know I have to worry about friendly fire not being so friendly.

The real disrespect comes from a president that disrespects a former POW. Rather he did before or in office.

The real disrespect comes from those that burn the flag.

The real disrespect comes from those that wear the flag.

Sorry kneeling is a swing and a miss.

Regardless of the kneeling and protesting of the NFL players (and the merits or non-merits of the protests), the involved players should -- but probably don't -- realize that their "message" IS NOT COMING ACROSS AT ALL.

There is plenty of media coverage of the protests, BUT virtually nothing about the "message." Rather, the coverage by the lamestream media only attempts to push an anti-Trump agenda, and rather than a "message" situation, the reports have wound up leading the general public (and football fans) to believe that the protests are anti-Anthem, anti-flag and anti-military.

Therefore, the method of the protests is IDIOTIC and not well-thought-out, because they are definitely resulting in A LOT MORE negative than positive opinions.

 

[9andaWiggle]

On edit: Note that live's second post went up while I was typing this one out. I make more sense if you insert this post up one spot in the order, right after AW's post.

I wouldn't go so far as to lump the football players with those other groups. As livespive pointed out, at least the kneeling protest is peaceful.

Agree though that the media seems to have distorted the message as one that is anti-Trump rather than pro-fair treatment for all by police.

My question stems from reading a lot of back and forth on the issue from whatever articles I read that have comments sections in them. There always seems to be a statement of "when YOU realize there is a problem", or even more specifically the comments regarding "If you do nothing then you agree with the racist behavior". That's where my "what do you realistically think I can do?" question came from.

 

[livespive]

You do know that is the extreme side of the movement don't you????

As much as you talk about the LSM, you should know that that is all they are going to show you.

Every group has an extreme part to it.

... but supporting, or indirectly supporting, such slogans as "What do we want? Dead cops? When do we want it? Now" and "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon" isn't likely to sway anywhere near a majority of Americans to their side.

 

[livespive]

Exactly........

We are nowhere near the reason why Kap started kneeling..

If Trump would have addressed the issue why Kap was kneeling instead of just mouthing off, we wouldn't be here.

9, doing anything is better than doing nothing. Even spreading good words to those that you might have hate in their hearts, is better than nothing...

Might that have helped the kid that shot up the church? We don't know, but it would have been worth a shot.

On edit: Note that live's second post went up while I was typing this one out. I make more sense if you insert this post up one spot in the order.

I wouldn't go so far as to lump the football players with those other groups. As livespive pointed out, at least the kneeling protest is peaceful.

Agree though that the media seems to have distorted the message as one that is anti-Trump rather than pro-fair treatment for all by police.

My question stems from reading a lot of back and forth on the issue from whatever articles I read that have comments sections in them. There always seems to be a statement of "when YOU realize there is a problem", or even more specifically the comments regarding "If you do nothing then you agree with the racist behavior". That's where my "what do you realistically think I can do?" question came from.

 

[AlwaysWrite]

I wouldn't go so far as to lump the football players with those other groups. As livespive pointed out, at least the kneeling protest is peaceful.

Dear 9andaWiggle:

That's why I said "... or indirectly" ... because rightly or wrongly, the protesters can be "indirectly" linked to BLM and/or slogans that I cited.

 

[Greg T.]

Well, all this is well and good, but my opinion remains. Protesting the country, the flag and the anthem because they want to make people aware of bad cops, or whatever, is not any different than smashing your entire face with a bat because you have a tooth ache. They're not making anyone aware of anything unless they tell someone what the problem is. Just like seeing someone with a smashed face would not give you the fact that it started with a bad tooth.

 

[WAMO]

AS YOU SAID LIVE, THERE ARE EXTREME GROUPS AS THERE ARE EXTREME COPS. WHEN YOU LUMP 10 BAD COPS IN WITH 1000 GOOD ONES, THOSE GROUPS DONT PICK AND CHOOSE. ALL THEY SEE IS COPS AND DECIDE ALL ARE BAD. THATS WHATS FUCKED UP. NOT ONE TIME HAVE I EVER SEEN PROTESTS AND RIOTS WHERE BRICKS AND BOTTLES WERE THROWN AT COPS AND SEEN A RIOTER POINT AT THE CULPRIT AND SAY HE THREW THAT.
TRUMP DID NOT CALL THE NFL AN SOB, ONLY THE SOB'S THAT KNEEL. AND I BELIEVE THAT LAST YEAR THE NFL IMPOSED A RULE ABOUT USING RACIAL SLURS THAT WOULD RESULT IN A 15 YARD PENALTY. SO THAT MEANS THAT BEFORE THAT, THE "N" WORD, AND OTHER DEMEANING SLURS, WERE OK AND MUST HAVE BEEN USED OFTEN ENOUGH TO MAKE A RULE. SO TRUMP CALLING SOME OF THEM AN SOB IS PRETTY CALM TO WHAT THEY WERE CALLING THEMSELVES. FUCK THE SON OF A BITCHES!

 

[livespive]

I am talking about the N Word being written on the whiteboard at the Air Force Academy in Colorado. I see that as a bigger disrespect than kneeling as you are doing that to a fellow soldier.

I never knew about a NFL rule on the N Word as I don't watch much NFL anyway.

AS YOU SAID LIVE, THERE ARE EXTREME GROUPS AS THERE ARE EXTREME COPS. WHEN YOU LUMP 10 BAD COPS IN WITH 1000 GOOD ONES, THOSE GROUPS DONT PICK AND CHOOSE. ALL THEY SEE IS COPS AND DECIDE ALL ARE BAD. THATS WHATS FUCKED UP. NOT ONE TIME HAVE I EVER SEEN PROTESTS AND RIOTS WHERE BRICKS AND BOTTLES WERE THROWN AT COPS AND SEEN A RIOTER POINT AT THE CULPRIT AND SAY HE THREW THAT.
TRUMP DID NOT CALL THE NFL AN SOB, ONLY THE SOB'S THAT KNEEL. AND I BELIEVE THAT LAST YEAR THE NFL IMPOSED A RULE ABOUT USING RACIAL SLURS THAT WOULD RESULT IN A 15 YARD PENALTY. SO THAT MEANS THAT BEFORE THAT, THE "N" WORD, AND OTHER DEMEANING SLURS, WERE OK AND MUST HAVE BEEN USED OFTEN ENOUGH TO MAKE A RULE. SO TRUMP CALLING SOME OF THEM AN SOB IS PRETTY CALM TO WHAT THEY WERE CALLING THEMSELVES. FUCK THE SON OF A BITCHES!

 

[9andaWiggle]

I don't remember if the N word was the sole reason for the rule, or if it was the issue of microphones picking up foul language (of all kinds) on live tv.

 

[Greg T.]

I don't remember if the N word was the sole reason for the rule, or if it was the issue of microphones picking up foul language (of all kinds) on live tv.

I just shake my head at the thought that we now have to say "N" word, "F" word, "C" word, seriously? Those of who participate on this forum are rational thinking people. MUST we succumb to the PC world while having discussions here? PC has infected us all and we don't even realize it.

 

[9andaWiggle]

True.

 

[livespive]

It is not the word that I worry about, as much as it is the hate in that persons heart.......

That person is standing right next to me on the combat lines, and he thinks that I am a Nigger.....
What if I get hurt and need help? He is my comrade in arms and now I must worry about him more so than the enemy.

Sad, just sad.

I just shake my head at the thought that we now have to say "N" word, "F" word, "C" word, seriously? Those of who participate on this forum are rational thinking people. MUST we succumb to the PC world while having discussions here? PC has infected us all and we don't even realize it.

 

[Greg T.]

It is not the word that I worry about, as much as it is the hate in that persons heart.......

That person is standing right next to me on the combat lines, and he thinks that I am a Nigger.....
What if I get hurt and need help? He is my comrade in arms and now I must worry about him more so than the enemy.

Sad, just sad.

I can sympathize with that entirely. I understand your frustration as I lived that (somewhat) back in the 60s and 70s when I was the dirty hippie among the greaseballs. Yeah, we were kicked out of restaurants, denied hotel rooms, pulled over and had our bus checked for hours on the side of the road and worried about being late for the next gig. We were threatened by the football jocks, had knives pulled on us after a dance and endured threats to cut our hair, etc. "Escorted" out of town by southern sheriffs and not being allowed to stop for food or fuel. I could go on and on. We had to travel with two loaded double barrel 12 ga shot guns that had to come out of hiding on more than one occasion. At the time, "hippie" got to be a word with as much significance as "nigger". While eating in a small café at 2AM once, we were greeted by a group of inebriated hunters who told the waitress to just throw the food in middle of our table so we could slop it up like the pigs we were. So, yes I can associate with your sensitivity. My point is that it's so sad that words have to be THAT powerful. They're just words. Slang words. I think the what gives them that much power is....us. WE give words that much power. And that is the sad part.

 

[livespive]

Agreed

I can sympathize with that entirely. I understand your frustration as I lived that (somewhat) back in the 60s and 70s when I was the dirty hippie among the greaseballs. Yeah, we were kicked out of restaurants, denied hotel rooms, pulled over and had our bus checked for hours on the side of the road and worried about being late for the next gig. We were threatened by the football jocks, had knives pulled on us after a dance and endured threats to cut our hair, etc. "Escorted" out of town by southern sheriffs and not being allowed to stop for food or fuel. I could go on and on. We had to travel with two loaded double barrel 12 ga shot guns that had to come out of hiding on more than one occasion. At the time, "hippie" got to be a word with as much significance as "nigger". While eating in a small café at 2AM once, we were greeted by a group of inebriated hunters who told the waitress to just throw the food in middle of our table so we could slop it up like the pigs we were. So, yes I can associate with your sensitivity. My point is that it's so sad that words have to be THAT powerful. They're just words. Slang words. I think the what gives them that much power is....us. WE give words that much power. And that is the sad part.

 

[Djarum300]

I don't think much will change, especially long term. Real conversation needs to occur, not some protest that's blocks streets on purpose or during a football game.