Words from a Confederate General

bbfreeburn

Active Member
I do not think it proper or necessary at this time to refer to causes which have reduced us to this extremity; nor is it now a matter of material consequence to us how such results were brought about. That we are BEATEN is a self-evident fact, and any further resistance on our part would justly be regarded as the very height of folly and rashness.

The armies of Generals LEE and JOHNSON having surrendered. You are the last of all the troops of the Confederate States Army east of the Mississippi River to lay down your arms.

The Cause for which you have so long and so manfully struggled, and for which you have braved dangers, endured privations, and sufferings, and made so many sacrifices, is today hopeless. The government which we sought to establish and perpetuate, is at an end. Reason dictates and humanity demands that no more blood be shed. Fully realizing and feeling that such is the case, it is your duty and mine to lay down our arms -- submit to the “powers that be” -- and to aid in restoring peace and establishing law and order throughout the land.

The terms upon which you were surrendered are favorable, and should be satisfactory and acceptable to all. They manifest a spirit of magnanimity and liberality, on the part of the Federal authorities, which should be met, on our part, by a faithful compliance with all the stipulations and conditions therein expressed. As your Commander, I sincerely hope that every officer and soldier of my command will cheerfully obey the orders given, and carry out in good faith all the terms of the cartel.

Those who neglect the terms and refuse to be paroled, may assuredly expect, when arrested, to be sent North and imprisoned. Let those who are absent from their commands, from whatever cause, report at once to this place, or to Jackson, Miss.; or, if too remote from either, to the nearest United States post or garrison, for parole.

Civil war, such as you have just passed through naturally engenders feelings of animosity, hatred, and revenge. It is our duty to divest ourselves of all such feelings; and as far as it is in our power to do so, to cultivate friendly feelings towards those with whom we have so long contended, and heretofore so widely, but honestly, differed. Neighborhood feuds, personal animosities, and private differences should be blotted out; and, when you return home, a manly, straightforward course of conduct will secure the respect of your enemies. Whatever your responsibilities may be to Government, to society, or to individuals meet them like men.

The attempt made to establish a separate and independent Confederation has failed; but the consciousness of having done your duty faithfully, and to the end, will, in some measure, repay for the hardships you have undergone.

In bidding you farewell, rest assured that you carry with you my best wishes for your future welfare and happiness. Without, in any way, referring to the merits of the Cause in which we have been engaged, your courage and determination, as exhibited on many hard-fought fields, has elicited the respect and admiration of friend and foe. And I now cheerfully and gratefully acknowledge my indebtedness to the officers and men of my command whose zeal, fidelity and unflinching bravery have been the great source of my past success in arms.

I have never, on the field of battle, sent you where I was unwilling to go myself; nor would I now advise you to a course which I felt myself unwilling to pursue. You have been good soldiers, you can be good citizens. Obey the laws, preserve your honor, and the Government to which you have surrendered can afford to be, and will be, magnanimous.

N.B. Forrest, Lieut.-General, CSA

This was General Nathan Bedford Forest's final address to his troops. There are words in it that I wish people would heed today.
 

Greg T.

The Jizz Slinger
I do not think it proper or necessary at this time to refer to causes which have reduced us to this extremity; nor is it now a matter of material consequence to us how such results were brought about. That we are BEATEN is a self-evident fact, and any further resistance on our part would justly be regarded as the very height of folly and rashness.

The armies of Generals LEE and JOHNSON having surrendered. You are the last of all the troops of the Confederate States Army east of the Mississippi River to lay down your arms.

The Cause for which you have so long and so manfully struggled, and for which you have braved dangers, endured privations, and sufferings, and made so many sacrifices, is today hopeless. The government which we sought to establish and perpetuate, is at an end. Reason dictates and humanity demands that no more blood be shed. Fully realizing and feeling that such is the case, it is your duty and mine to lay down our arms -- submit to the “powers that be” -- and to aid in restoring peace and establishing law and order throughout the land.

The terms upon which you were surrendered are favorable, and should be satisfactory and acceptable to all. They manifest a spirit of magnanimity and liberality, on the part of the Federal authorities, which should be met, on our part, by a faithful compliance with all the stipulations and conditions therein expressed. As your Commander, I sincerely hope that every officer and soldier of my command will cheerfully obey the orders given, and carry out in good faith all the terms of the cartel.

Those who neglect the terms and refuse to be paroled, may assuredly expect, when arrested, to be sent North and imprisoned. Let those who are absent from their commands, from whatever cause, report at once to this place, or to Jackson, Miss.; or, if too remote from either, to the nearest United States post or garrison, for parole.

Civil war, such as you have just passed through naturally engenders feelings of animosity, hatred, and revenge. It is our duty to divest ourselves of all such feelings; and as far as it is in our power to do so, to cultivate friendly feelings towards those with whom we have so long contended, and heretofore so widely, but honestly, differed. Neighborhood feuds, personal animosities, and private differences should be blotted out; and, when you return home, a manly, straightforward course of conduct will secure the respect of your enemies. Whatever your responsibilities may be to Government, to society, or to individuals meet them like men.

The attempt made to establish a separate and independent Confederation has failed; but the consciousness of having done your duty faithfully, and to the end, will, in some measure, repay for the hardships you have undergone.

In bidding you farewell, rest assured that you carry with you my best wishes for your future welfare and happiness. Without, in any way, referring to the merits of the Cause in which we have been engaged, your courage and determination, as exhibited on many hard-fought fields, has elicited the respect and admiration of friend and foe. And I now cheerfully and gratefully acknowledge my indebtedness to the officers and men of my command whose zeal, fidelity and unflinching bravery have been the great source of my past success in arms.

I have never, on the field of battle, sent you where I was unwilling to go myself; nor would I now advise you to a course which I felt myself unwilling to pursue. You have been good soldiers, you can be good citizens. Obey the laws, preserve your honor, and the Government to which you have surrendered can afford to be, and will be, magnanimous.

N.B. Forrest, Lieut.-General, CSA

This was General Nathan Bedford Forest's final address to his troops. There are words in it that I wish people would heed today.
Yeah, people like antifa, blm, and the rest of the liberal hate groups out there. Oh, oh, now I made you want me to die again...
 
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WAMO

Spanking His Monkey
AS I SAID IN ANOTHER THREAD, "PROTESTING" SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL OR TOLERATED. THAT WOULD GO FOR EVERY PERSON, GROUP OR ORGINAZATION. PERIOD.
 

Good Times Good Times

Active Member
AS I SAID IN ANOTHER THREAD, "PROTESTING" SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL OR TOLERATED. THAT WOULD GO FOR EVERY PERSON, GROUP OR ORGINAZATION. PERIOD.
You're so uneducated.

The right to join with fellow citizens in protest or peaceful assembly is critical to a functioning democracy and at the core of the First Amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Certainly there is no place for violence........I agree. But to forbid an expression of peaceful assembly is about as unconstitutional as there could be. If you don't think I have the RIGHT to protest either the KKK or Westboro or BLM or Black Panthers or any (insert group here).....you cannot call yourself a supporter of the 1st amendment.

Now, double-down on your ignorant take WAMO. I remember the reason I left now with this quality of opinion...this is absolutely the most basic of civics.
 

Greg T.

The Jizz Slinger
You're so uneducated.

The right to join with fellow citizens in protest or peaceful assembly is critical to a functioning democracy and at the core of the First Amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Certainly there is no place for violence........I agree. But to forbid an expression of peaceful assembly is about as unconstitutional as there could be. If you don't think I have the RIGHT to protest either the KKK or Westboro or BLM or Black Panthers or any (insert group here).....you cannot call yourself a supporter of the 1st amendment.

Now, double-down on your ignorant take WAMO. I remember the reason I left now with this quality of opinion...this is absolutely the most basic of civics.
I agree with you in full, but I wonder what differentiates assembling peaceably from loitering...
 

WAMO

Spanking His Monkey
IM SORRY GT. IT BOTHERS ME THAT MY "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" COMMENTS MADE YOU WANT TO LEAVE. I MISSED YOUR OPINOINS AND BANTER WHEN YOU WERE GONE. I OFTEN ASKED THE GUYS IF THEY HAD HEARD FROM YOU. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT STOPPING FREEDOM OF SPEECH OR THE RIGHT TO ASSEMBLE. I WAS ONLY SAYING THAT THE WORD PROTEST HAS A VIOLENT MEANING ATTACHED. WHEN SOMEONE ANNOUNCES ON THE NEWS, "WE ARE HERE TO PROTEST THIS OR THAT" IT NEARLY ALWAYS TURNS VIOLENT. BUT IF THEY WERE TO SAY, "WE ARE ASSEMBLED HERE TO DISCUSS THIS OR THAT" MAYBE IT WOULD STAY PEACEFUL. AND THATS ALL IM SAYING. NEVER ASKED TO TAKE ANYONES "RIGHTS" AWAY. IS THAT DOUBLE DOWNED PROPERLY SIR TO HELP YOU STAY?
 

Good Times Good Times

Active Member
I will say I do not, have not and will never condone violence whether it's committed by BLM, KKK, Occupy WS, Black Panthers, Flying Spaghetti Monster peeps, Westboro, etc.

I will also say I support every single one of those organizations right to peacefully assemble and voice their opinion though I vehemently disagree with many listed above...none should be silenced at any point.

I 100% support Westboro's right to protest funerals (though I find it the most cold-hearted thing that can possibly be done) and I 100% support the right of those to protest that protest. As long as both are peaceful......violence is the deal breaker.
 

Good Times Good Times

Active Member
I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT STOPPING FREEDOM OF SPEECH OR THE RIGHT TO ASSEMBLE.
I was harsh. For that I apologize.

My point is that a protest is the same as any peaceful assembly. The content/message of the assembly is irrelevant, and it must be in all cases.

I WAS ONLY SAYING THAT THE WORD PROTEST HAS A VIOLENT MEANING ATTACHED. WHEN SOMEONE ANNOUNCES ON THE NEWS, "WE ARE HERE TO PROTEST THIS OR THAT" IT NEARLY ALWAYS TURNS VIOLENT.
Agree to disagree. The vast majority of situations where groups expressing opposite opinions occur peacefully. Can't let the minority of incidents that happen cloud that.

NEVER ASKED TO TAKE ANYONES "RIGHTS" AWAY.
You're not connecting it....when you say a protest shouldn't be allowed you are saying you want to stop that groups freedom of peacefully assembling and right to voice their dissenting opinion on the basis of emotion. "You guys can't protest this other group b/c something might/always happens" is not a good take..
 

Good Times Good Times

Active Member
I'll harken back to the other thread and post this legitimate question again:

I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOICE AN OPINION AND EXPRESS A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW. I DO NOT THINK ANYONE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO "PROTEST".
You literally don't even have a clue that these two sentences are mutually exclusive, do you?

I think I get what you're doing, you're conflating "protest" and "violence" as synonymous....
 

Greg T.

The Jizz Slinger
I will say I do not, have not and will never condone violence whether it's committed by BLM, KKK, Occupy WS, Black Panthers, Flying Spaghetti Monster peeps, Westboro, etc.

I will also say I support every single one of those organizations right to peacefully assemble and voice their opinion though I vehemently disagree with many listed above...none should be silenced at any point.

I 100% support Westboro's right to protest funerals (though I find it the most cold-hearted thing that can possibly be done) and I 100% support the right of those to protest that protest. As long as both are peaceful......violence is the deal breaker.
Exactly right. I don't remember who said it or how the statement actual goes, so I'll paraphrase; I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. I love that. BUT, the fucking idiots that have to turn that 1A into a free-for-all need killin'. The fighting, burning, looting, bombing, shooting, beating, etc. I've come to the point where I'm sick to death of the news reports. Every fucking day is the same. This bunch attacked that bunch, these buildings were bombed, these people were shot, over and over it goes. And I gotta tell ya, GTGT, not just because I'm conservative either, the vast majority of the violence and destruction these days stems from the left.
 

9andaWiggle

Addicted Member
I disagree about Westboro... it should be legal to beat those fuckers so badly they don't want to show up for any more funerals. :Mad:
 

Good Times Good Times

Active Member
I disagree about Westboro... it should be legal to beat those fuckers so badly they don't want to show up for any more funerals. :Mad:
Agree to disagree. I feel you on that fact that it's about the most cold-hearted thing imaginable. I could not disagree with what they do any more than I do (and I understand the want to wring their necks)........but I have to support their right as Americans, because it's essential that you and I retain the right to voice our displeasure.
 

WAMO

Spanking His Monkey
NO NEED TO APOLOGIZE GT. WE ARE GOOD. I REALLY MEANT I DONT WANT YOU TO GO AWAY. I VALUE YOUR BANTER! AND YOU WERE RIGHT, AGREE TO DISAGREE, ITS ALL GOOD WITH ME. IT JUST SEEMS, AT LEAST IN MY NECK OF THE WOODS, ANYTIME A GROUP ANNOUNCES A PROTEST, AN OPPOSING GROUP SHOWS UP AND A FIGHT ENSUES. BUT WHEN THEY SAY WE ARE ASSEMBLING AT THE LOCAL COMMUNITY HALL TO DISCUSS THIS, AN OPPOSING GROUP MAY SHOW UP TO VOICE THEIR OPINION, BUT NOONE GETS HURT. I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE PHRASE "PEACEFUL ASSEMBLY" AND THE WORD "PROTEST" GENERATE A DIFFERENT FEELING IN FOLKS, THATS ALL IM SAYING.
 

Good Times Good Times

Active Member
NO NEED TO APOLOGIZE GT. WE ARE GOOD. I REALLY MEANT I DONT WANT YOU TO GO AWAY. I VALUE YOUR BANTER! AND YOU WERE RIGHT, AGREE TO DISAGREE, ITS ALL GOOD WITH ME. IT JUST SEEMS, AT LEAST IN MY NECK OF THE WOODS, ANYTIME A GROUP ANNOUNCES A PROTEST, AN OPPOSING GROUP SHOWS UP AND A FIGHT ENSUES. BUT WHEN THEY SAY WE ARE ASSEMBLING AT THE LOCAL COMMUNITY HALL TO DISCUSS THIS, AN OPPOSING GROUP MAY SHOW UP TO VOICE THEIR OPINION, BUT NOONE GETS HURT. I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE PHRASE "PEACEFUL ASSEMBLY" AND THE WORD "PROTEST" GENERATE A DIFFERENT FEELING IN FOLKS, THATS ALL IM SAYING.
Fair enough.
 

WAMO

Spanking His Monkey
NOW, I HAVE TO CALL MY BOSS AND PROTEST THAT I HAVE TO GO DO SOME WORK TODAY! OH WAIT... I WORK FOR MYSELF. THIS ISNT GOING TO GO TO WELL FOR ME IS IT?
 

bbfreeburn

Active Member
Another General on monuments,
""As regards the erection of such a monument as is contemplated, my conviction is, that, however grateful it would be to the feelings of the South, the attempt, in the present condition of the country, would have the effect of retarding instead of accelerating its accomplishment, and of continuing if not adding to the difficulties under which the Southern people labor."
Robert E. Lee.
 
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