Big Nose, Small Balls.
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bbfreeburn
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She will be elected because, in the view of the average American, there is no candidate better, be they Republican, Democrat, Independent or Socialist. That is, no candidate has put forth any statements or platform that seems to serve the interests of the people.
JLS
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"Last week they did a poll, 49% of the people polled said they would vote for her, but at the same time only 29% of those polled said she is honest and trustworthy. Then why the fuck would you vote for her??????"
ROBBBY BOY....Reading is still a skill....and you lack it.....The HER as in 49%, is HILLARY....
MAN...YOU FUXXCKING BEAT ALL...
Now as for sucking the air out of Tom's balls....Most men are never satisfied...so any woman that will blow
them....Most men will, no matter how good it might be at home...
Look at Tiger boy....He had Vonn, yet back in February he banged another Ho...According to Inside Edition...
once again
you beat all
"Last week they did a poll, 49% of the people polled said they would vote for her, but at the same time only 29% of those polled said she is honest and trustworthy. Then why the fuck would you vote for her??????"
ROBBBY BOY....Reading is still a skill....and you lack it.....The HER as in 49%, is HILLARY....
MAN...YOU FUXXCKING BEAT ALL...
Now as for sucking the air out of Tom's balls....Most men are never satisfied...so any woman that will blow
them....Most men will, no matter how good it might be at home...
Look at Tiger boy....He had Vonn, yet back in February he banged another Ho...According to Inside Edition...
once again
you beat all
RealJorge300
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What this shows is how the NFL panders to the popular theme of the time. The Panthers and the Vikings both illegally tampered with footballs during a game....they had them in front of heaters during a particularly cold day in Minnesota. A blatant violation of the rules....their punishment.....a "stern" warning from the NFL. The Chargers were found guilty of wiping their game balls with a towel coated with an adhesive agent.....their punishment....a $20,000 fine. How are either of these cases any different then what Brady is being accused of? And I say accused because the Wells report offers no actual proof that Brady knew what was going on, just that it was more probable than not he was aware. They infer a lot from the text messages between him and the team personnel, but they cannot prove he knew about it. Plus, the report states that neither the Patriots organization nor it's coaching staff were aware of the situation....so why are they being fined $1MM and losing draft choices?!? Because they should have stopped something Wells says they didn't know about or participate in from happening? Maybe we should fine them another $1MM because a police officer is going to shoot an innocent person at some point in the future and they did nothing to stop it?!?
And this comes from someone who hates....despises.....totally can't stand the Patriots. Plus, being a Steelers fan, it greatly helps my team's chance of winning the game Week 1 if Brady isn't in there. But this isn't the right thing to do, and if this is allowed to happen who knows who gets suspended for what made up reason next.
And this comes from someone who hates....despises.....totally can't stand the Patriots. Plus, being a Steelers fan, it greatly helps my team's chance of winning the game Week 1 if Brady isn't in there. But this isn't the right thing to do, and if this is allowed to happen who knows who gets suspended for what made up reason next.
HEY DJ, THERE ARE A COUPLA BOOBS ON HERE, DOES THAT COUNT?
RJ300. THE NFL, BECAUSE OF RECENT ISSUES, SEEMS TO BE COMING DOWN HARDER ON ALL
RULES INFRACTIONS. UNLESS YOU PLAY OR WORK FOR ROBERT KRAFT.
ROB. AGREE WITH THE SEAN PAYTON SENERIO. NOT FAIR IN ANY WAY. BUT WITH BRADY, THEY SHOULD ALSO STRIP HIM OF SUPER BOWL MVP. NO WAY SHOULD A CHEATER BE REWARDED WITH SUCH A TROPHY.
RJ300. THE NFL, BECAUSE OF RECENT ISSUES, SEEMS TO BE COMING DOWN HARDER ON ALL
RULES INFRACTIONS. UNLESS YOU PLAY OR WORK FOR ROBERT KRAFT.
ROB. AGREE WITH THE SEAN PAYTON SENERIO. NOT FAIR IN ANY WAY. BUT WITH BRADY, THEY SHOULD ALSO STRIP HIM OF SUPER BOWL MVP. NO WAY SHOULD A CHEATER BE REWARDED WITH SUCH A TROPHY.
Robadat
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Jorge,
The difference is that in the cases you cited, the offending teams immediately owned up to the infractions and ceased the practices. They also didn't conceal their actions from the refs by taking the balls into the john to warm them up with the hand dryers. Also, none of the other infractions occurred during playoff games. Infractions that occur during playoff games should have higher penalties for the teams involved.
The Patriots got penalized because the coaching assistants are employees of the Patriots...if you go into McDonald's and get burnt by their super hot coffee, do you sue the working stiff who served you the coffee, or do you sue McDonald's corporate? The Patriots also quit co-operating with the investigators after they realized they were getting nailed by refusing to allow a follow-up interview with the employees in question after new evidence (text messages) was found. The investigators were never given an opportunity to ask the team employees questions about these texts which show that this was not a new practice and has been going on for a while.
This isn't a criminal matter, civil law rules apply here, you are not presumed innocent until proven guilty. It is not necessary to prove culpability beyond a reasonable doubt, a preponderance of the evidence is the standard and that level has been met by the report. Also, Fifth Amendment rights do not apply in Civil Actions, defendants in civil actions don't get to remain silent without penalty.
The difference is that in the cases you cited, the offending teams immediately owned up to the infractions and ceased the practices. They also didn't conceal their actions from the refs by taking the balls into the john to warm them up with the hand dryers. Also, none of the other infractions occurred during playoff games. Infractions that occur during playoff games should have higher penalties for the teams involved.
The Patriots got penalized because the coaching assistants are employees of the Patriots...if you go into McDonald's and get burnt by their super hot coffee, do you sue the working stiff who served you the coffee, or do you sue McDonald's corporate? The Patriots also quit co-operating with the investigators after they realized they were getting nailed by refusing to allow a follow-up interview with the employees in question after new evidence (text messages) was found. The investigators were never given an opportunity to ask the team employees questions about these texts which show that this was not a new practice and has been going on for a while.
This isn't a criminal matter, civil law rules apply here, you are not presumed innocent until proven guilty. It is not necessary to prove culpability beyond a reasonable doubt, a preponderance of the evidence is the standard and that level has been met by the report. Also, Fifth Amendment rights do not apply in Civil Actions, defendants in civil actions don't get to remain silent without penalty.
RealJorge300
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Rob, that's not entirely true. The article I read said the Chargers continued the practice while the investigation was on-going and only stopped once they were penalized. Even after being told it was illegal. I will agree that these other infractions were not in the playoffs and not in the AFC Championship game which would potentially make the Patriots infractions more severe. But I also would argue how much difference did it make? The score was 45-7, not 21-20. The Patriots outscored the Colts 28-0 in the second half, after the deflated footballs were found and removed. So how big an impact were they really?!?
You could go after Corporate McDonald's, and you might win or you might lose. But how much would you win, even in a civil suit after the prosecutor says that Corporate McDonald's had no knowledge of, nor had any means of changing the temperature of the coffee at the local McD's that injured the person? That is what the Well's report said, that the organization and the coaching staff had no knowledge of this and could not be held responsible for it. Yet, the NFL punished them anyway.
And as you said, this isn't a criminal trial, but even if it was, how often are you allowed to recall witnesses? They wanted to interview the person for a 5th time....can that not be seen as a bit much. While I agree if it meant clearing their names, then the Patriots should have let him be interviewed again, but I can also see their side that after 4 times you still want to come back again.
Like I said, I am no Patriots fan, and no supporter of Brady in anyway. Can't stand either really, but I think they are getting shafted here. I think they committed the "crime". I believe they did deflate the balls used in the first half of the game. I believe they probably have been doing it for a long time. I also believe Brady knew about it, why else would he have fought so hard to change the rules to allow each team to supply their own footballs (along with Payton Manning, btw). What I don't believe though, is that the Wells report, at least what I have heard about/read about proves that Brady was involved. And I don't agree with the punishment handed down to the Patriots, after the Wells report cleared them of any wrong-doing in this matter. This is the NFL overstepping it's bounds again and if it isn't curtailed who knows where it ends, and whose team gets effected in the future by Goodell and his "justice".
Robadat
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The Wells investigation only got to interview the "deflator" once, the other three interviews were done by league security, one was done the night of the game, and two the very next day, one of them was by phone in the evening. So that is just a NE BS excuse not to make him available for a second interview with the Wells investigators after Wells had received some damning text messages from his phone and the security video of him taking the ball bag into the bathroom... In court, it would be a valid reason to recall a witness after new evidence becomes available that shows their original testimony may not have been entirely truthful or shows the witness may have additional info relevant to the case that wasn't known beforehand.
The Patriots absolutely should be held responsible for the activities of their game day employees, whether or not they knew what they were up to. I don't believe these guys acted on their own, without the knowledge and consent of Brady and the coaching staff, no reasonable person should.
Penalties are always subjective, some think they're too easy, some will think they're too harsh. I think they're reasonable and also believe that Belicheck should have been suspended or at the least, fined. He's been involved in too many shady things to go scot free on this...
The Patriots absolutely should be held responsible for the activities of their game day employees, whether or not they knew what they were up to. I don't believe these guys acted on their own, without the knowledge and consent of Brady and the coaching staff, no reasonable person should.
Penalties are always subjective, some think they're too easy, some will think they're too harsh. I think they're reasonable and also believe that Belicheck should have been suspended or at the least, fined. He's been involved in too many shady things to go scot free on this...
AlwaysWrite
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In some respects, this situation reminds me of MANY fully documented instances in which USBC (and formerly ABC) administered "justice" -- or in some cases, DIDN'T administer justice -- in cases involving member bowlers, associations and proprietors. And in many of those cases, individuals didn't receive any semblance of due process.
9andaWiggle
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Jorge, it's because.. Fuck Tom Brady! 
9andaWiggle
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I've seen better looking bitches stumble out of GregT's tye-dyed microbus!Her titties are kinda flat...just like Tom's balls...
RealJorge300
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This says it a bit more eloquently than I can.
9~, you can, I'll take Giselle while you two are busy. You should watch the trailer for Ted 2 first though, lol.
9~, you can, I'll take Giselle while you two are busy. You should watch the trailer for Ted 2 first though, lol.
RealJorge300
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WAMO,
Did you not read the article?!? The report states that the story the public ran with, that the balls were 2 lbs under inflated was wrong. That while they were under the rules limit, some were only under what could be considered "normal" for the cold conditions. My issue is with the NFL's punishment. It is overblown for what can actually be proven. It is overboard compared to other violations of the same rule they have dealt with in the past. I am concerned that Goodell decides punishment based on the public outcry and not based on the actual violation.
So by your standards, should any team that had a player found to be taking PED's have to forfeit any game they played in? Should the Chargers have to forfeit all the games they played while "cheating"? What do you in the case of the Vikings and Panthers, who both "cheated" while playing one another, do they both lose? What if the balls were actually underinflated by weather and not someone doing something against the rules, do the refs have the scientific skills to figure out the exact amount of pressure that should be lost based on the outside air temp to know for 100% certainty that the balls were tampered with? If not, then how exactly do they figure out at halftime that the rules have been broken and decide to forfeit the game for the Patriots?
Man, it must be nice to live in your world where reality isn't needed. But here in the real world, people don't know everything at the every second. There was no way to know there were any rules infractions at halftime, thus no way to forfeit the game. And as the scores have shown, there was no advantage gained by the Patriots as they played better, scored more points in the 2nd half of the game using "regulation" balls. So how exactly is it cheating when you don't gain an advantage over the other team? So, in bowling, if I use an 18 lb ball in a tournament final against you, and it cause my timing to be off, makes it so I can't hit my mark and generally screws up my game, but I put it away after 5 frames to use a 16lb ball and proceed to strike out to beat you...did I cheat? Should I be punished for using the 18 lb ball? What advantage did I gain over you by using it?
Did you not read the article?!? The report states that the story the public ran with, that the balls were 2 lbs under inflated was wrong. That while they were under the rules limit, some were only under what could be considered "normal" for the cold conditions. My issue is with the NFL's punishment. It is overblown for what can actually be proven. It is overboard compared to other violations of the same rule they have dealt with in the past. I am concerned that Goodell decides punishment based on the public outcry and not based on the actual violation.
So by your standards, should any team that had a player found to be taking PED's have to forfeit any game they played in? Should the Chargers have to forfeit all the games they played while "cheating"? What do you in the case of the Vikings and Panthers, who both "cheated" while playing one another, do they both lose? What if the balls were actually underinflated by weather and not someone doing something against the rules, do the refs have the scientific skills to figure out the exact amount of pressure that should be lost based on the outside air temp to know for 100% certainty that the balls were tampered with? If not, then how exactly do they figure out at halftime that the rules have been broken and decide to forfeit the game for the Patriots?
Man, it must be nice to live in your world where reality isn't needed. But here in the real world, people don't know everything at the every second. There was no way to know there were any rules infractions at halftime, thus no way to forfeit the game. And as the scores have shown, there was no advantage gained by the Patriots as they played better, scored more points in the 2nd half of the game using "regulation" balls. So how exactly is it cheating when you don't gain an advantage over the other team? So, in bowling, if I use an 18 lb ball in a tournament final against you, and it cause my timing to be off, makes it so I can't hit my mark and generally screws up my game, but I put it away after 5 frames to use a 16lb ball and proceed to strike out to beat you...did I cheat? Should I be punished for using the 18 lb ball? What advantage did I gain over you by using it?
2 Games suspension and a fine and I'd been ok.
I think the ruling really has nothing to do with the cheating aspect as much as it has to do with the cover up. Also, the balls were deflated after the refs had inspected them.
As far as forfeiting games...NCAA does it all the time. I don't think the NFL will ever do that though.
I think the ruling really has nothing to do with the cheating aspect as much as it has to do with the cover up. Also, the balls were deflated after the refs had inspected them.
As far as forfeiting games...NCAA does it all the time. I don't think the NFL will ever do that though.
11 OF 12 WERE UNDER. SO THE AIR PRESSURE / TEMP WAS DIFFERENT WHERE THEY KEPT THAT 1 BALL. AND THE COLTS BALLS TESTED OK. SO THEY WERE IN THE SAME ATMOSPHERE AS THE 1 PATS BALL THAT WAS LEGAL. GOOD POINT, DIDNT THINK OF THAT. AND HOW MANY TIMES, HERE ON PLANET EARTH, HAVE WE SEEN A TEAM TAKE CONTOL OF A GAME IN THE FIRST HALF AND TAKE THE WIND OUT OF THE OTHER TEAM FOR THE SECOND HALF? AND THE 18lb BALL, TOTALLY OFF THE MARK WITH THAT ONE. AND I AGREE WITH DJ. THE PENALTY WAS AN AFTER THE FACT DEAL. CHEATED, THEN GOT CAUGHT LYING ABOUT CHEATING.
RealJorge300
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All the Colts balls did not test ok. They had some that were underinflated too. It's called the Ideal Gas Law. Read the article instead of just talking out your backside. You are spouting the NFL line, including the misinformation that has come out.
RJ300. THANKS FOR GETTING ME TO READ THAT ARTICLE. AND BY THE WAY, HE BELIEVED THAT BRADY WAS AT THE CENTER OF WHATEVER "IT" IS. I ALSO READ UP ON THE IDEAL GAS LAW. THE FOLKS THAT USED THE IDEAL GAS LAW IN AN EXPERIMENT ON FOOTBALLS, MENTIONED BY ALOT OF THEM, THAT "AIR" IS NOT A "GAS". THEY ALL AGREED THAT TEMPERATURE WAS A BIG FACTOR IN WHAT TOOK PLACE WITH THE AIR PRESSURE. THEY "ALL" SAID THAT THE AIR PRESSURE SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHECKED AFTERWARDS AT THE SAME TEMP AS THEY WERE INFLATED. IT WAS ALSO MENTIONED THAT THE "BALL BOY" IN QUESTION HAS A MINOR IN PHYSICS. MEANING HE HAS THE KNOWLEDGE THAT JUST HITTING THE 12.5 PRESSURE BEFORE A GAME, KNOWS IT WILL "DEFLATE" IN A COLDER TEMP. THE COLTS FILLED THEIR FOOTBALLS TO THE HIGHEST LEGAL LEVEL AND HAD 3 THAT WERE BELOW THE 12.5 LIMIT, BUT ALL WERE CLOSER TO 12.5 THAN THE PATS. BUT, THE RULE IS VERY VAGUE. AND THE PATS ARE KNOWN FOR PUSHING THE RULES TO THE LIMIT. BUT IN DOING SO, ARE THEY INSINUATING THEY ARE SCARED AND NEED EVERY ADVANTAGE THEY CAN GET?