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[Greg T.]

I disagree. If allowed, there are plenty of people of nearly any single demographic to support a business if it's placed in the right location and operated by a competent business person. Might limit how successful it is, but a business could be profitable.

Trying to figure out how this works though... so you're saying I could build a business and hang a sign on the front door saying "no disabled, black, or female people allowed". Yet I am required by law to hire (not discriminate against) people with those very same characteristics I just banned from entering my store as customers?

I didn't say anything about having to hire certain ethnic people or genders. I don't believe in affirmative action. If I ran a business I'd want to control my own shop. Sure, you need certain safety and health regulations, but as far as policy and operations it should be at the owners' discretion. As far as political parties go, there are bands out there telling Trump supporters they're not welcome. Should they be sued?

 

[Greg T.]

It stops at race/religion and sexual orientation, legally I believe....

Can't tell you how many times we got kicked out of eateries, refused service at motels, and stopped by cops simply because we looked like my avatar. That's okay, but sue someone for refusing to make a queer cake?

 

[Good Times Good Times]

Right sex before marriage is a sin so does he turn away couples that have slept together? You bet your ass he doesn’t.

This is somewhat how I view it. With the exception of Jesus Christ aren't we all sinners?

 

[Good Times Good Times]

Can't tell you how many times we got kicked out of eateries, refused service at motels, and stopped by cops simply because we looked like my avatar. That's okay, but sue someone for refusing to make a queer cake?

Well, it wouldn't be OK with me. I'd want your business regardless (isn't that the point of business)?

I can understand if it's posted that there's a dress code in effect for ALL parties....but it wouldn't be discrimination based on Greg's race/religion/sexual orientation etc.

 

[Greg T.]

Well, it wouldn't be OK with me. I'd want your business regardless (isn't that the point of business)?

Absolutely. And I would do the same. What I am saying is that I, as the owner, should be able to refuse service to anyone I choose.

 

[Good Times Good Times]

It may not fall into the same category, but I KNOW that the owner of a bowling center can refuse to allow customers in his/her center for no reason at all (or because they have blue eyes, for example).

I don't know the legality of this in your state, so it may very well be.

But if the owner is discriminating based on people with a certain eye color, I would support legislation that would make that illegal. I don't think that's right.

 

[Good Times Good Times]

Absolutely. And I would do the same. What I am saying is that I, as the owner, should be able to refuse service to anyone I choose.

I agree with that generally speaking, but I agree with certain limitations (race/religion/SO/people with disabilities etc). So that's where we disagree. I don't think you should have the option to decline service to a handicapped person and still retain a business permit. Nothing against you, just my philosophy.

 

[livespive]

Thus starts the slippery slope backwards to "Making America Great Again".

I believe in the self-centering system. Back in the day the "no blacks" signs worked because it was accepted behavior. Today, no one would have a business for very long if they did that. Today is much different. More people are outspoken and assertive than years ago. I say let everyone run their business as they see fit. If they shoot themselves in the foot by becoming too selective, so be it.

 

[AlwaysWrite]

I don't know the legality of this in your state, so it may very well be.

But if the owner is discriminating based on people with a certain eye color, I would support legislation that would make that illegal. I don't think that's right.

Dear GTGT:

More specifically, a bowling center proprietor CAN BAR ANYONE FOR ANY REASON, and if the barred individual even so much as enters the property, that person is subject to being sent to jail for trespassing. I KNOW, because I've seen it happen on a number of occasions, and I've sat in the courtroom and heard judges affirm the proprietors' right to bar anyone for any reason. Further, I still possess court transcripts of the judges' decisions.

 

[Good Times Good Times]

There's no place in our society to have "no blacks" / "no muslims" / "keep the gayze out" / "no cripples" signs in the windows of a business operating on a state sponsored business permit.

No need to watch a business rise/fall as a result of the choice to. Maybe some see these days as the days when America "was" great (lolz) but I'd like to think we're better than that as a society. I'm OK with limited government, but I do not believe it to be a government overreach in this particular instance.

Put mildly, I do not believe a business owner should be able to discriminate against protected classes.

 

[Good Times Good Times]

Dear GTGT:

More specifically, a bowling center proprietor CAN BAR ANYONE FOR ANY REASON, and if the barred individual even so much as enters the property, that person is subject to being sent to jail for trespassing. I KNOW, because I've seen it happen on a number of occasions, and I've sat in the courtroom and heard judges affirm the proprietors' right to bar anyone for any reason. Further, I still possess court transcripts of the judges' decisions.

I'm not disputing that it's occurred. What do you think AW, do you believe this person should (not saying whether they can or not, I'm asking should) be able to discriminate against me for having a handicap (or other protected class)?

 

[radioactive]

So could I have a business that said "No Sheep Fuckers Allowed"?

 

[Good Times Good Times]

So could I have a business that said "No Sheep Fuckers Allowed"?

~9.............get in here and make the argument why sheep fuckers should be a protected class.

 

[9andaWiggle]

As far as political parties go, there are bands out there telling Trump supporters they're not welcome. Should they be sued?

Actually, I think they should. If the

So could I have a business that said "No Sheep Fuckers Allowed"?

Why don't we have a "dislike" button?

To answer; Absolutely not! I can identify sexually however I wish! If I want to identify as a sheep, dress up like a sheep, and fuck sheep, then I can do so! You have no right to tell me I can't be a sheep! And further, you cannot discriminate against me simply because I choose to identify as a sheep!

Sheep...

 

[Good Times Good Times]

How are there so many fundamentalist cake bakers - isn't a wedding cake artist kind of a gay job to have in the first place?

 

[livespive]

But like I said in the OP your problem can be fixed by meeting the dress code if you want to enter.

Can't tell you how many times we got kicked out of eateries, refused service at motels, and stopped by cops simply because we looked like my avatar. That's okay, but sue someone for refusing to make a queer cake?

 

[9andaWiggle]

How are there so many fundamentalist cake bakers - isn't a wedding cake artist kind of a gay job to have in the first place?

 

[Djarum300]

I have an interesting topic, just noticed it today, but it has been around for a while:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/su...e-sex-couple/ar-BBGgG6E?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp

What do you think?

If a person has a shop that is on a public street, and open to the public, should he have to sell to all of the public?

Granted there are signs that say No shoes, No shirt, No service, but that can be fixed and then you are welcomed in......

I am talking about him refusing to bake for the same sex couple. I guess in my opinion this is a step back because he could he could have easily said that he didn't want to bake for Blacks, or for Jews, or for Muslims etc.

I think that if he wants to have that kind of choice he needs to be a home baker in a private location.
But if he is using a public location, or the internet he should sell to all, or (and that is a BIG OR) post on the front of the building who is will not serve (I don't think that will do his business any good).

Thoughts??

In don't see it as a problem I'd it is against their religion. What about artist and photographers?

 

[Djarum300]

Well, it wouldn't be OK with me. I'd want your business regardless (isn't that the point of business)?

I can understand if it's posted that there's a dress code in effect for ALL parties....but it wouldn't be discrimination based on Greg's race/religion/sexual orientation etc.

Ever go to a bar with a bouncer? They'll let people in who they see fit. Pretty hot girl goes in but the 45 year old rode hard is denied.

 

[Djarum300]

But like I said in the OP your problem can be fixed by meeting the dress code if you want to enter.

And that's completely subjective.