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[livespive]

I have an interesting topic, just noticed it today, but it has been around for a while:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/su...e-sex-couple/ar-BBGgG6E?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp

What do you think?

If a person has a shop that is on a public street, and open to the public, should he have to sell to all of the public?

Granted there are signs that say No shoes, No shirt, No service, but that can be fixed and then you are welcomed in......

I am talking about him refusing to bake for the same sex couple. I guess in my opinion this is a step back because he could he could have easily said that he didn't want to bake for Blacks, or for Jews, or for Muslims etc.

I think that if he wants to have that kind of choice he needs to be a home baker in a private location.
But if he is using a public location, or the internet he should sell to all, or (and that is a BIG OR) post on the front of the building who is will not serve (I don't think that will do his business any good).

Thoughts??

 

[radioactive]

Let me point out that he didn't refuse to sell them a cake, he refused to decorate the cake like they wanted it. He still runs the bakery, but doesn't do special decorations anymore(pending the outcome of the case).

 

[livespive]

Right, and in the beginning wasn't it the fact that he wouldn't put same sex toppers on the cake or something (it's been a while)?
Decorating the cake is part of the sell???

It will be interesting to see what happens.

Let me point out that he didn't refuse to sell them a cake, he refused to decorate the cake like they wanted it. He still runs the bakery, but doesn't do special decorations anymore(pending the outcome of the case).

 

[9andaWiggle]

The whole thing seems stupid. Unless they were asking for a graphic design resembling a kielbasa thrust in a donut, just make the damn cake and take their money. Do as the Bible says and "Judge Not", because that's God's fucking job!

 

[livespive]

Right sex before marriage is a sin so does he turn away couples that have slept together? You bet your ass he doesn’t.

The whole thing seems stupid. Unless they were asking for a graphic design resembling a kielbasa thrust in a donut, just make the damn cake and take their money. Do as the Bible says and "Judge Not", because that's God's fucking job!

 

[WAMO]

ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS MESS THE CAKE UP REALLY BAD AND THEY WOULD HAVE LEFT.

 

[livespive]

But then that gives him black eye with the BBB, although this could also.

ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS MESS THE CAKE UP REALLY BAD AND THEY WOULD HAVE LEFT.

 

[Greg T.]

This goes back to the discussion Bob and I were having about being a socialist country as opposed to capitalist country. I believe we are still a capitalist country and a PERSON still owns his own business. A business owner should have the right to refuse service to anyone WITHOUT an explanation. If the service the person wants goes against the grain of all my beliefs I would absolutely refuse to serve that person, and the fucking government should not have any involvement what so ever.

 

[radioactive]

If I went to a restaurant or shop that sells food and had to force someone to sell something to me, I am not sure I would want to eat their product. They could do all sorts of things to the food.

 

[livespive]

See but the problem is where dose it stop????

Do we go back to the 60's with signs up that say no Blacks?

And if he is wimping out based on his "religious" beliefs, then all of his customers shout fill out a form to make sure they are not breaking one of the rules in his religion.

This was pure and simple a cop out.

This goes back to the discussion Bob and I were having about being a socialist country as opposed to capitalist country. I believe we are still a capitalist country and a PERSON still owns his own business. A business owner should have the right to refuse service to anyone WITHOUT an explanation. If the service the person wants goes against the grain of all my beliefs I would absolutely refuse to serve that person, and the fucking government should not have any involvement what so ever.

 

[bbfreeburn]

The whole thing seems stupid. Unless they were asking for a graphic design resembling a kielbasa thrust in a donut, just make the damn cake and take their money. Do as the Bible says and "Judge Not", because that's God's fucking job!

Your missing the point. This man is a good xian, and as such he KNOWS God's will and can enforce it.

 

[Greg T.]

See but the problem is where dose it stop????

Do we go back to the 60's with signs up that say no Blacks?

And if he is wimping out based on his "religious" beliefs, then all of his customers shout fill out a form to make sure they are not breaking one of the rules in his religion.

This was pure and simple a cop out.

I believe in the self-centering system. Back in the day the "no blacks" signs worked because it was accepted behavior. Today, no one would have a business for very long if they did that. Today is much different. More people are outspoken and assertive than years ago. I say let everyone run their business as they see fit. If they shoot themselves in the foot by becoming too selective, so be it.

 

[sevenpin63]

I believe he must serve them, but if they wanted two men on top all he has to say is we don't carry that and will not carry that. I would have no single men or women pieces just the pieces that are of a couple..
Can't make a store carry what they don't carry.

 

[Greg T.]

I believe he must serve them, but if they wanted two men on top all he has to say is we don't carry that and will not carry that. I would have no single men or women pieces just the pieces that are of a couple..
Can't make a store carry what they don't carry.

If you can force them to serve then you can force them to order. again, where does it stop?

 

[sevenpin63]

No Gerg, if you go into parts store and ask for a certain part and they don't have it, you would then go find it at another parts store.

 

[sevenpin63]

You can't tell a store what to carry in inventory

 

[Greg T.]

No Gerg, if you go into parts store and ask for a certain part and they don't have it, you would then go find it at another parts store.

My point exactly. If a cake shop says "we don't make queer cakes" then you go to another bakery.

 

[9andaWiggle]

I believe in the self-centering system. Back in the day the "no blacks" signs worked because it was accepted behavior. Today, no one would have a business for very long if they did that. Today is much different. More people are outspoken and assertive than years ago. I say let everyone run their business as they see fit. If they shoot themselves in the foot by becoming too selective, so be it.

I disagree. If allowed, there are plenty of people of nearly any single demographic to support a business if it's placed in the right location and operated by a competent business person. Might limit how successful it is, but a business could be profitable.

Trying to figure out how this works though... so you're saying I could build a business and hang a sign on the front door saying "no disabled, black, or female people allowed". Yet I am required by law to hire (not discriminate against) people with those very same characteristics I just banned from entering my store as customers?

 

[9andaWiggle]

And how about democrats and republicans? Do I have to let those bastards shop my store as well?

 

[AlwaysWrite]

It may not fall into the same category, but I KNOW that the owner of a bowling center can refuse to allow customers in his/her center for no reason at all (or because they have blue eyes, for example).