Voting....

[AlwaysWrite]

Why don't you direct these questions to your local college mathematics/statistics experts who can probably provide a more qualified answer than the dopes like me on this site? I remember years ago when the workers in our shop were having a discussion/argument about whether cold or hot water would freeze fastest. We called the local college and got their answer. I think they were happy for the diversion and you may provide some for your local college.

Be sure to let us know what you find out.

Dear MI2AZ:

I'm my own mathematical expert, as all of the following are true:

* While in high school, I had the highest score in the state of Nevada in a math test given to all high-school seniors by the Mathematics Association of America, and I also had the highest score in the state on the math section of the SAT.

* A story in the Las Vegas (Nev.) Review-Journal referred to me as a "mathematical genius."

* I was the statistician (and official scorekeeper) for the high-school baseball team, and I compiled all of the batting averages and earned run averages in my head.

* While in high school, I memorized the complete logarithm tables in three days just to win a $50 bet.

* I still can rattle off the value of pi to more than 40 places.

* As an expert with numbers and odds. I was able to find ways to make money at the greyhound races. As proof of that, I made both tip-sheet and program selections for Sarasota Kennel Club (and sometimes the Tampa Greyhound Club), and I still have a volume of all the 1973 racing programs, and if anyone would have played all of my top selections to win (or if they boxed my top three in the quiniela), they would have come out ahead for the entire season -- assuming, of course, that they bet the same amount of money in each race. Also, for two seasons, I made selections for a Comp-U-Winner tip sheet when owner Russ Saunders found out -- even though he didn't believe it at first -- that I could actually pick better than his computer could, and on one particular doubleheader (28 races in all), I picked 14 winners and 14 place dogs, meaning that if someone bet my tip-sheet selections that day, they could have cashed a place ticket in 28 straight races or have hit every quiniela by wheeling my top selection.

etc., etc.

 

[livespive]

It's not if I believe either, it is was I there to see either.

Dear livespive:

If you believe that 19,605 people could vote the same, do you likewise believe the "hypothetical" that Robert Mushtare rolled three 900 series within a few months in one league?

 

[AlwaysWrite]

It's not if I believe either, it is was I there to see either.

Dear livespive:

Well, what is your gut feeling as to the chances of either thing happening?

 

[livespive]

I forget about much of the RM stuff, but I can see him doing his before the voting......

Didn't he do those as make ups\, or when there wasn't a full 10 bowlers on the lanes, or something like that??

Dear livespive:

Well, what is your gut feeling as to the chances of either thing happening?

 

[AlwaysWrite]

I forget about much of the RM stuff, but I can see him doing his before the voting......

Didn't he do those as make ups\, or when there wasn't a full 10 bowlers on the lanes, or something like that??

Dear livespive:

Robert Mushtare rolled all those 900s in UNOPPOSED, PREBOWLING situations with virtually no witnesses. But regardless of the situation, what are the odds against rolling 108 strikes without once having a flawless delivery or getting even one solid tap?

 

[livespive]

If you have the great wall of China it would be simple because if unopposed the lanes don't really wear down.
Also they were not 3 900's one right after the other, were they?

I remember back in the day when I first started going to practice in the summer after the lanes were just stripped and redone
and the wall was put up. I could miss either way, cross Brooklyn etc and hit. I could hit 290 279 depending on where I messed up, and I didn't claim to be good. Now take someone that is good, on a walled up lane unopposed, yes I would say a 900 is possible. You don't get out of groove waiting, the lane oil does not break down as quick.......

Once again we are thinking outside of the box, yes it could happen......

The shot doesn't have to be flawless, it just has to know the pins down, and with the way the ball are made today......

Now, I will say that because he didn't have anyone watching, that might leave me a little suspect.

Dear livespive:

Robert Mushtare rolled all those 900s in UNOPPOSED, PREBOWLING situations with virtually no witnesses. But regardless of the situation, what are the odds against rolling 108 strikes without once having a flawless delivery or getting even one solid tap?

 

[MI2AZ]

Don't forget, at the time, RM (He Who Shall Not Be Named) claimed that he could predict when he would leave a corner pin and make the adjustment beforehand. That's why no taps.

I guess, in the meantime, he has forgotten how to do that.

 

[AlwaysWrite]

If you have the great wall of China it would be simple because if unopposed the lanes don't really wear down.
Also they were not 3 900's one right after the other, were they?

I remember back in the day when I first started going to practice in the summer after the lanes were just stripped and redone
and the wall was put up. I could miss either way, cross Brooklyn etc and hit. I could hit 290 279 depending on where I messed up, and I didn't claim to be good. Now take someone that is good, on a walled up lane unopposed, yes I would say a 900 is possible. You don't get out of groove waiting, the lane oil does not break down as quick.......

Once again we are thinking outside of the box, yes it could happen......

The shot doesn't have to be flawless, it just has to know the pins down, and with the way the ball are made today......

Now, I will say that because he didn't have anyone watching, that might leave me a little suspect.

Dear livespive:

In response ...

* Mushtare's 900s weren't "right after the other" but all three were accomplished in the span of less than four months.

* Regardless of whether or not lanes "wear down" ... what are the odds against any human rolling two 900 series? For your information, it's about 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000-to-1, and obviously much, much higher for three 900s.

* Further, how does any bowler avoid even one "tap" over that many games? Even a robotic Throbot that theoretically rolls a perfect ball every time rarely rolls a 300 game, let alone a 900 series. And are you to believe that a 17-year-old can roll more 900 series THAN ALL PROFESSIONAL BOWLERS IN HISTORY have rolled?

* You refer to Brooklyn hits in your personal high-score exploits, but certainly you realize that even the best Brooklyn hits aren't going to carry with extreme regularity.

* Then again, you have the right to BELIEVE that Mushtare could strike every time and that more than 19,000 voters could vote the same way. I've never been a bookie, but if I were, I sure would like a bunch of clients that analyzed the odds the way you do.

 

[livespive]

No, you miss my point. like I said the scores were in practice, and the condition will not change as fast.
I do have one 300, and I knew it shouldn't have been I came in high and left the 4-9, the 4 fell into the 9.

You don't know how many of those he had......

Once again, we are talk hypothetically outside the box, and you are trying to bring it back into the realm of facts.
Is it possible maybe. Unlikely, probably. Just like it was possible for him to bowl the first one.
To eliminate the possibility of the other two, is to eliminate the possibility of the first one.

10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000-to-1, The 1 is there for a reason, that means it is possible.

Dear livespive:

In response ...

* Mushtare's 900s weren't "right after the other" but all three were accomplished in the span of less than four months.

* Regardless of whether or not lanes "wear down" ... what are the odds against any human rolling two 900 series? For your information, it's about 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000-to-1, and obviously much, much higher for three 900s.

* Further, how does any bowler avoid even one "tap" over that many games? Even a robotic Throbot that theoretically rolls a perfect ball every time rarely rolls a 300 game, let alone a 900 series. And are you to believe that a 17-year-old can roll more 900 series THAN ALL PROFESSIONAL BOWLERS IN HISTORY have rolled?

* You refer to Brooklyn hits in your personal high-score exploits, but certainly you realize that even the best Brooklyn hits aren't going to carry with extreme regularity.

* Then again, you have the right to BELIEVE that Mushtare could strike every time and that more than 19,000 voters could vote the same way. I've never been a bookie, but if I were, I sure would like a bunch of clients that analyzed the odds the way you do.

 

[Good Times Good Times]

I do have one 300, and I knew it shouldn't have been I came in high and left the 4-9, the 4 fell into the 9.

Never regret getting a break bro........

 

[livespive]

Trust me, I didn't get mad

Never regret getting a break bro........

 

[AlwaysWrite]

Don't forget, at the time, RM (He Who Shall Not Be Named) claimed that he could predict when he would leave a corner pin and make the adjustment beforehand. That's why no taps.

Dear MI2AZ:

Indeed, both on the phone and in an e-mail, the unnamed bowler told me that his ability to adjust IN ADVANCE before leaving 10-pins was one of the keys to his repeated perfection.

 

[AlwaysWrite]

10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000-to-1, The 1 is there for a reason, that means it is possible.

Dear livespive:

It would be even money if he were to roll 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 series, but he'd have to live many millenniums to roll that many series.

 

[livespive]

So,

I am not going to look them up:

Odds of a hole in one? Has it been done, yes.
Odds of hitting the powerball? Has it been done, yes.
Odds of bowling a 300? Has it been done, yes.
Odds of bowling a 900? Has it been done, yes.
Odds of getting struck by lightning? Has it been done, yes.
Odds of getting struck by lightning twice? Has it been done, yes.

Are you going to discount all of these because they might be thousands or millions to one?

Once again, the one means it can be done. He may not have to live many millenniums to roll that many series, but it might be
many millenniums before you see another.

Dear livespive:

It would be even money if he were to roll 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 series, but he'd have to live many millenniums to roll that many series.

 

[9andaWiggle]

To be honest about Robert's accomplishment, I thought the first one (which I believe ABC/USBC rejected) MAY have been legit, and the second was a farce to get the award he was denied the first time. Then they came up with the third one and he and his family/friend lost all credibility with me. Now I suspect the first was maybe a lie too.

 

[AlwaysWrite]

To be honest about Robert's accomplishment, I thought the first one (which I believe ABC/USBC rejected) MAY have been legit, and the second was a farce to get the award he was denied the first time. Then they came up with the third one and he and his family/friend lost all credibility with me. Now I suspect the first was maybe a lie too.

Dear 9andaWiggle:

That was EXACTLY mine line of thinking at the time.

 

[AlwaysWrite]

So,

I am not going to look them up:

Odds of a hole in one? Has it been done, yes.
Odds of hitting the powerball? Has it been done, yes.
Odds of bowling a 300? Has it been done, yes.
Odds of bowling a 900? Has it been done, yes.
Odds of getting struck by lightning? Has it been done, yes.
Odds of getting struck by lightning twice? Has it been done, yes.

Are you going to discount all of these because they might be thousands or millions to one?

Dear livespive:

What might the odds be for ONE PERSON TO HAVE ALL OF THOSE THINGS TAKE PLACE in a lifetime? Of course, by your reasoning, it could happen.

 

[WAMO]

HEY LIVE. FOLLOWING THAT SCENARIO, NOT COUNTING THE 300 OR THE FIRST LIGHTING STRIKE, HAS ANY OF THOSE HAPPENED 3 TIMES TO THE SAME PERSON IN A 4 MONTH TIME FRAME?

 

[MI2AZ]

In Florida, there is a man who has won seven lotteries:

The chances of winning the lottery are one in 175 million, but Florida native Richard Lustig has bucked the odds to win the grand prize seven times.

 

[WAMO]

THATS VERY AMAZING. BUT NOT 3 POWERBALLS, RIGHT?