On the eve of Super Tuesday, some food-for-thought questions

AlwaysWrite

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* Hillary Clinton says that the public is "angry" and "hungry for solutions" ... but doesn't that conflict with a run for the presidency that, in essence, promises a third Obama term?

* Some GOP movers and shakers think Ted Cruz is the answer because of his far-right conservatism, but wouldn't a more-centrist Donald Trump have a better chance to win the votes of moderates, independents and even some Democrats? Doesn't Trump have the potential to gain "centrist" votes, especially when Hillary or Bernie lean so far to the left?

* What is the logic and/or importance of NATIONAL presidential preference polls when there are no more than 15 states that aren't "locked in" to one party or the other?


* Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio would lose states such as New York and New Jersey in a November landslide, but isn't is possible that Trump could actually have an outside chance of defeating Hillary and/or Bernie in those states?

* Does the GOP establishment -- and candidates such as Cruz and Rubio -- think that people who continue to vote for Trump are stupid, unknowing or unpatriotic? And how would those "stupid" voters likely react if they felt that te will of the people (those voting for Trump by substantial margins) was subverted by the GOP establishment and/or the lamestream media? Wouldn't many of them decide to "stay home" in November?

* Is Marco Rubio evolving into a "puppet" and/or mouthpiece of the GOP establishment in a desperate attempt to derail the Trump Express? And if and when Rubio is perceived as an establishment candidate, can he lure any Trump supporters to switch to him when the establishment is a major part of what Trump voters are opposed to?

* So many primary voters tell pollsters that they haven't made up their mind days or even hours before voting. But doesn't that indicate that such voters -- perhaps at many as 40 percent -- are making spur-of-the-moment choices and that their support for candidates isn't too solid? Might it lead to a conclusion that many last-minute choices hinge on things such as a negative TD ad or the suggestion of a friend rather than solid voting logic?

* Many obviously feel that Trump is "out of bounds" in criticizing a past GOP president (about the Iraq War, for instance). Logically, it would then be assumed that a Democrat candidate should be under fire if saying anything negative about Obama or a past Democrat president. So aren't candidates for public office allowed to state opinions apart from "politically correct" positions "mandated" by their respective political party?
 

bbfreeburn

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I'm just curious. How can you say that Trump is a moderate/centrist? One would need to hear policy statement from him to make such a statement and, with very few exceptions, he has made none.
 

livespive

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As being someone that has lost money to Trump, I don't want him running my country:mad::(:Cry:o_O
There is nothing that he has done so far that could make me vote for him. Yeah he says what's on his mind,
but that is not always a good thing. Not really saying that there is anyone better, but I do know that Trump is not the best.

We need to swipe DNA from everyone that's left and make a real candidate.
 

Greg T.

The Jizz Slinger
As being someone that has lost money to Trump, I don't want him running my country:mad::(:Cry:o_O
There is nothing that he has done so far that could make me vote for him. Yeah he says what's on his mind,
but that is not always a good thing. Not really saying that there is anyone better, but I do know that Trump is not the best.

We need to swipe DNA from everyone that's left and make a real candidate.
There never will be a "best", and that is why we have our brilliantly composed system in place. If there ever were to become a "best" he/she would be a dictator. I've claimed from the very start that Trump is the most favorable of the offerings because he will take no shit from the rest of the world, has a tried and true method of making money and getting the deal done, and is about as transparent as one can possibly be. Of the two dems we have a lazy socialist mooch who never drew a paycheck until he was 40 years old, and a lying crook. On the gop side we have someone who has a proven record of being a tough negotiator, and a bunch of rinos.
 

livespive

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From my investments he doesn't. He can't just go Bankrupt when things get rough.

There is take no shit, and there is shoot from the hip. Trump is the latter. He just runs his mouth.
He truly hasn't said anything on any policy that I have seen other than I have people for that, or we will send Mexico a bill for the wall.
What kind of shit is that?.....

Sorry, I think I am sitting this one out :)

There never will be a "best", and that is why we have our brilliantly composed system in place. If there ever were to become a "best" he/she would be a dictator. I've claimed from the very start that Trump is the most favorable of the offerings because he will take no shit from the rest of the world, has a tried and true method of making money and getting the deal done, and is about as transparent as one can possibly be. Of the two dems we have a lazy socialist mooch who never drew a paycheck until he was 40 years old, and a lying crook. On the gop side we have someone who has a proven record of being a tough negotiator, and a bunch of rinos.
 

9andaWiggle

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Livespive, I don't see Trump as an answer (even though that online test showed I agree with 87% of his policy, supposedly). But rather I see Trump, more specifically support for Trump, as a message to DC. A message that clearly states people have lost all faith and respect for our governing body. A message that We, The People, are angry. And what better messenger than Trump, who goes after everyone as angrily and bitterly as we are? It's giving them a thumb in their eye, to support Trump. So that's why I like him.

Do I think the US will get better or worse under Trump? No. With the gridlock in DC it will be more of the same regardless of who is President. Rich will get richer, and everyone else will take it in the ass.

In 4 years we'll still be arguing about race relations, womens rights, immigration, employment, abortion, war, soaring cost of healthcare, cuts to SS, and of course the out of control national debt. The same tired arguments I've heard as long as I've bee alive. You'd think after 3 or 4 decades that at least ONE issue could get resolved.

Come on in, GTGT, we need some positive vibes in this thread. Give us some hope, man! ;):cool:
 

livespive

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What is it that JLS says "That is how we got Obama" :) Well we will now be saying "This how we got Trump"

I agree it will send a message, in the process we will go down even farther.

Livespive, I don't see Trump as an answer (even though that online test showed I agree with 87% of his policy, supposedly). But rather I see Trump, more specifically support for Trump, as a message to DC. A message that clearly states people have lost all faith and respect for our governing body. A message that We, The People, are angry. And what better messenger than Trump, who goes after everyone as angrily and bitterly as we are? It's giving them a thumb in their eye, to support Trump. So that's why I like him.

Do I think the US will get better or worse under Trump? No. With the gridlock in DC it will be more of the same regardless of who is President. Rich will get richer, and everyone else will take it in the ass.

In 4 years we'll still be arguing about race relations, womens rights, immigration, employment, abortion, war, soaring cost of healthcare, cuts to SS, and of course the out of control national debt. The same tired arguments I've heard as long as I've bee alive. You'd think after 3 or 4 decades that at least ONE issue could get resolved.

Come on in, GTGT, we need some positive vibes in this thread. Give us some hope, man! ;):cool:
 

9andaWiggle

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What is it that JLS says "That is how we got Obama" :) Well we will now be saying "This how we got Trump"

I agree it will send a message, in the process we will go down even farther.
That's a real possibility. But major change in societies rarely (has it ever happened?) come about via level headed, peaceful negotiation and/or policy. If it's going to get better, it will get real ugly first. Unfortunate as it is, that's the historical trend.

The wealthy who have control and are wringing America dry will not give anything back out of the kindness of their hearts. The People will only regain control when they rise up and forcibly TAKE it from those in power.

How close we are to The People being angry enough to take that drastic step? Time will tell.

But first, we need to wise up and quit allowing them to play us against each other. Imagine what could be done if black, white, brown, stood in solidarity as one force, AMERICANS, against our corrupt government? It still won't be easy, but we can't make any significant progress if we stay divided.
 

AlwaysWrite

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I'm just curious. How can you say that Trump is a moderate/centrist? One would need to hear policy statement from him to make such a statement and, with very few exceptions, he has made none.
Dear bbfreeburn:

Trump could be considered as a moderate/centrist compared to the other GOP candidates, could he not?
 

AlwaysWrite

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Sorry, I think I am sitting this one out :)
Dear livespive:

I'm definitely "sitting this one out" in November if Trump is not on the ballot. As I've stated many times previously, I used to give regular financial support to the Republican Party, but because the GOP continued to cave in to the Democrats (on such matters as "fiscal cliffs", I abandoned the Republican Party a little over a year ago and re-registered as an Independent.

I didn't figure that there was any candidate of either party I'd be likely to support, but I certainly can support Trump, in part because I'm sick and tired of the political "establishment" of both parties, and I'm sick and tired of "political correctness."
 

AlwaysWrite

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I think the problem (as shown in the video posted) is he often changes his positions.
Dear Good Times Good Times:

Perhaps you should -- if you haven't already -- watch the video posted by Greg in the thread "A Must Watch Video." You may be amazed how much Trump HASN'T changed positions on a lot of things. The video is more than 25 years old.
 
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